[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Blacksapphire

Never said I was jealous just pointing out a fact... And I'm not only talking about the looks if you look back at my OP I clearly mention the performance. That's why this car is being compared to the m4 and not the mustang like the gen 5. This car is in a different league. But if you want to be condescending on a forum more power to you. It was a simple discussion topic.

Wasn't being condescending, but you are apparently being sensitive, so I'll apologize. Not even sure how you came to that conclusion other than letting you know that the Gen5 garnered comments like that as well. If that's condescending, then I am truly sorry. It was far from my intent.

Your comments from others were on looks not performance as you stated. As we've discussed here many many times, people don't even know about the Camaro and that's why it isn't selling so I doubt they were confusing it for a exotic but knowing exactly hot it performed. So yes! I knew what you meant exactly.

The performance is awesome. It's not nearly enough for GM to take Chevy badging off the car any more than the Corvette. There have been many discussions about making the Corvette a unique brand even to take away the stigma of being "just a Chevrolet". This is a big deal when you are trying to actually win Porsche fans. For Camaro? It just isn't special enough for that. Even at the low volumes it's outselling the Corvette over 2 to 1.

As for the Camaro performance being in a different league? You haven't driven a GT350 yet have you? (not condescending just to be clear) Not much more money than an SS actually and you get more HP and a great chassis. The I4 and V6 isn't in a different league. It's only if you compare an SS to the GT there is a real difference. And again, as we've discussed at length, you pay for that. Again why some people think the car isn't selling.

[Copperhead]

The fact that the 6th gen Camaro is being compared to high performance cars on a multinational level instead of just other "pony" cars speaks volumes. That being said, I believe they should sport the bar badge with pride and pay homage to where they came from now more than ever - just my opinion.
I don't agree that Camaro should step away from the bowtie. Look at the other cars mentioned like Ferrari. Not even the Enzo got its own badge - they all retain the same Ferrari badging (not in any way comparing a Camaro to a Ferrari).
I also am glad the body design is just a refreshing of the previous generation. I think the 5th gens looked good, minus the "gills". I think we can all agree and just rejoice the fact that the 6th gens look better instead of GM making the mistake similar to the 4th gens (ugliest Camaros ever made IMO). Could they have done more to differentiate it from the 5th gens? Sure. But they look fantastic, so no complaints on the styling from me.
These are all just opinions. I'm not saying anyone else is wrong .

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[buck_dawg_gold]

Are there any bowties on the corvette? Anyway I don't think the Camaro needs bowties. Most people black them out or delete them. Opportunity for GM to save money by just removing them.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by buck_dawg_gold

Are there any bowties on the corvette? Anyway I don't think the Camaro needs bowties. Most people black them out or delete them. Opportunity for GM to save money by just removing them.

[KILLA BEE]

Originally Posted by crankaholic

I like the Camaro symbol on the fenders... but the bowtie is fine with me - as long as they're not gold (I have the black ones).

Man I love that black!!!!!! July is my month Black on Black on Black all Day!!!! with POSSIBLY the red outlined rims and red hash marks.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by buck_dawg_gold

Are there any bowties on the corvette? Anyway I don't think the Camaro needs bowties. Most people black them out or delete them. Opportunity for GM to save money by just removing them.

"most"? maybe here, but I very much doubt that there are 250k+ blacked out/removed chevy badge cars....

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Wasn't being condescending, but you are apparently being sensitive, so I'll apologize. Not even sure how you came to that conclusion other than letting you know that the Gen5 garnered comments like that as well. If that's condescending, then I am truly sorry. It was far from my intent.

Your comments from others were on looks not performance as you stated. As we've discussed here many many times, people don't even know about the Camaro and that's why it isn't selling so I doubt they were confusing it for a exotic but knowing exactly hot it performed. So yes! I knew what you meant exactly.

The performance is awesome. It's not nearly enough for GM to take Chevy badging off the car any more than the Corvette. There have been many discussions about making the Corvette a unique brand even to take away the stigma of being "just a Chevrolet". This is a big deal when you are trying to actually win Porsche fans. For Camaro? It just isn't special enough for that. Even at the low volumes it's outselling the Corvette over 2 to 1.

As for the Camaro performance being in a different league? You haven't driven a GT350 yet have you? (not condescending just to be clear) Not much more money than an SS actually and you get more HP and a great chassis. The I4 and V6 isn't in a different league. It's only if you compare an SS to the GT there is a real difference. And again, as we've discussed at length, you pay for that. Again why some people think the car isn't selling.

The GT350 sells for 10k to 25k over sticker on an average, which makes it much more expensive than the SS. The SS has more bang for the buck than any Mustang made. The 16 ZL1 will destroy the GT350R. Maybe you should go to one of those forums for people that actually own the cars. I'll bet you can even fit your golf clubs in the trunk of the Mustang, which is so very important to you. Stop saying the Camaro is not selling well, Chevrolet and those of us that bought them feel it's right on target.

[Blacksapphire]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

I agree, but someone that doesn't own one would never understand. Don't waste your time trying to explain your posts, it's pointless to those jealous posters.

Also the Mustang emblem is nothing to be jealous of, just look at the reasoning behind it. The horse is running because when they can no longer run, they are shot, just like the cars.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Mustang gets the attention it does because except for short periods of time, it's all Ford has. You want a performance RWD coupe from Ford? Mustang's your only option unless they happen to be producing a GT at the time, and you better have the cash and luck to get one of those.

GM on the other hand has Corvette. Which is why no matter how good Camaro gets, it'll always be "just a Camaro." People save up their entire lives to retire and buy a Corvette, not a Camaro. Plus, you won't see factory Camaro racing teams racing Ferrari and Porsche in IMSA. You won't see a Camaro at LeMans.

In the grand scheme of things, Camaro just isn't THAT special of a car. An amazing performance coupe for sure, but not on the level of Corvette.

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Originally Posted by Copperhead

The fact that the 6th gen Camaro is being compared to high performance cars on a multinational level instead of just other "pony" cars speaks volumes. That being said, I believe they should sport the bar badge with pride and pay homage to where they came from now more than ever - just my opinion.
I don't agree that Camaro should step away from the bowtie. Look at the other cars mentioned like Ferrari. Not even the Enzo got its own badge - they all retain the same Ferrari badging (not in any way comparing a Camaro to a Ferrari).
I also am glad the body design is just a refreshing of the previous generation. I think the 5th gens looked good, minus the "gills". I think we can all agree and just rejoice the fact that the 6th gens look better instead of GM making the mistake similar to the 4th gens (ugliest Camaros ever made IMO). Could they have done more to differentiate it from the 5th gens? Sure. But they look fantastic, so no complaints on the styling from me.
These are all just opinions. I'm not saying anyone else is wrong .

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Just curious, did everyone forget that 2011 Mustang GT was compared to a M3 by M/T? I keep seeing the test of the Camaro and the M4 being thrown around like it was the first time a Pony car was compared to a German car. (granted the M3 beat the mustang and the Camaro won its comparo test)

As far as the badge, I think the Camaro needs to keep the bowtie, but IMO the bowtie should be a little smaller.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Blacksapphire

Ford pushed up the release for their next gen mustang because the Camaro was such a stand out.

Nope.

Ford made the decision to push up the 7th Gen Mustang in June of 2015, before the Camaro reviews hit the streets, to say the least of the car itself.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

The GT350 sells for 10k to 25k over sticker on an average, which makes it much more expensive than the SS. The SS has more bang for the buck than any Mustang made. The 16 ZL1 will destroy the GT350R. Maybe you should go to one of those forums for people that actually own the cars. I'll bet you can even fit your golf clubs in the trunk of the Mustang, which is so very important to you. Stop saying the Camaro is not selling well, Chevrolet and those of us that bought them feel it's right on target.

The 2012 and 2013 Boss 302 would like to have a word with you.

Compared to the outgoing generation, the Gen 6 Camaro is NOT selling as well and you don't know what GM's sales goals were, but it was obvious they were hoping to be higher due to adding a shift at LGR for more production and then only selling a total of less than 9,000 Alpha cars for the entire month. You're making an assumption that GM is pleased with the sales, they've not said how they felt one way or another.

[crankaholic]

Originally Posted by G Fo12ce

I kind of like the fender badge. It's not as cool as some of the replacement ones I've seen in the Mustang community. Like the Coyote logo and P-51 I've seen but the Camaro one is not an eye sore by any stretch.

On the bow tie I totally get it. I'm going to sit with it a while though when I get my car, it won't be one of the first things I change. Red and gold/bronze can be complimentary sometimes at least IMO. Things don't always have to match to look good.


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Love me some red/blue and bronze/gold combos. You're right, I'd leave the gold bowtie on a red car as well; it does stick out like a sore thumb on darker colored cars though.

[Blacksapphire]

Alright let's not make this a mustang vs Camaro post, I was using the mustang as a reference point. And to "speedislife" something tells me that Ford knew how the Camaro would perform prior to it being open to the public to order in August of 2015. I could be wrong but I get the feeling these companies know what the others are doing before we or journalists do. I don't think it's too far fetched for all the American companies to bounce ideas off of each other. their working relationship didn't just come out of thin air when they decided to work on the 10 speed auto.

[TransAmx2]

I like the red/white/blue fender flag on the Camaro better than having Camaro spelled out in a badge. I would like to see the badge replaced with a ZL1, Z28 or 1LE emblem on the performance models rather than adding extra badges in different places. Those of us who know what the cars are will respect and appreciate it, no need to put an extra badge in the grill on each side of the raised hood and on the back bumper, keep it simple and clean.