[detltu]

I think the GT350R is a good point to bring up. I suspect the LT4 Camaro will be slightly more than the GT350R and faster. I also expect this car to be the all around performer.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

They built a Z06 with a supercharged engine...precedence has been set....

BUT! Comments seem to indicate that the ZL1 is a more "GT" car, featuring all the comfort goodies, and the go-fast performance. A...1LE with a more powerful engine and 2SS trim, if you will...

The Z/28 still seems to fill the slot of the "racer".

The 1LE is *not* a replacement for the Z/28. As awesome as it is...it's not enough to hold the Z/28 mantle. The new 1LE is three seconds faster than an SS (which is roughly as fast as the outgoing 1LE)...that's still not as fast as the outgoing Z/28. They can do better.

Yet alot of people here think it will handle a GT350TP and nip at the heels of the GT350R which would make it as fast or faster than the Z/28...

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

The LT4 could be used in more than 1 upcoming version. Look, as long as they provide a high Horsepower touring type vehicle like what the ZL1 was last gen, I don't really care what they call it.

It would be weird of them to change the lineup so drastically after a single gen, and when did the Z/28 come out for gen 5...2014?

My bet is they come out with both a ZL1 and Z/28 matching the intended purposes from last gen (ZL1= HIPO touring GT, Z/28 track beast) and they may even share the same power plant.

Or the other plausible scenario (IMO) is they come out with a single nameplate and to get the track beast it is similar to what ford has in the GT350 vs. GT350R. So...ZL1 w/ Z/28 package gets you a Z/28 logo, has the same Lt4, but with some different aero, maybe takes out the back seats, adds spool valve suspension. IDK, we will just have to wait and see i guess.

I think this is the a route the may go. Just going off of GM's past history with sharing engines, I can't see them making a unique engine for the Camaro that wouldn't go in anything else. Unless they do a Corvette package inbetween the Stingray and Z06

[Doggman]

Originally Posted by shaffe

This ^

All has to do with emissions and reliability now. 500+ HP N/A engines are going to be a thing of the past soon.

There's always the Viper. I don't see them dropping the V10 anytime soon or force inducting it but maybe. ACR =

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Doggman

There's always the Viper. I don't see them dropping the V10 anytime soon or force inducting it but maybe. ACR =

IIRC I believe the Viper might be canned in 2017

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/14/d...ive-past-2017/

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by detltu

Prepare to be disappointed then. The ZL-1 wasn't built to be the ultimate drag car. It was built to do everything well. The LT4 powered 6th gen will likely be close or slightly faster than the hellcat, but if dodge wants to up the game at the drag strip they will be able to beat the Camaro. That's not the Camaro teams focus.

Isn't driver comfort or visibilty either. The Camaro would have to be much lighter than 3500lbs @455hp to outrun the Hellcat. All I'm saying is that the Camaro has been a disappointment for me at the dragstrip as a Chevy fan. Perhaps you might peek into the history of the Camaro if you don't think it has a long history in drag racing. I've lived Chevrolet since I could drive. I'm simply seeing at the drag strip what I'm seeing and it would be nice to see a Camaro with nothing more than sticky tires lay down a number. That would be awesome... for a change. Rather see Chevy leading instead of chasing all the time.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Isn't driver comfort or visibilty either. The Camaro would have to be much lighter than 3500lbs @455hp to outrun the Hellcat. All I'm saying is that the Camaro has been a disappointment for me at the dragstrip as a Chevy fan. Perhaps you might peek into the history of the Camaro if you don't think it has a long history in drag racing. I've lived Chevrolet since I could drive. I'm simply seeing at the drag strip what I'm seeing and it would be nice to see a Camaro with nothing more than sticky tires lay down a number. That would be awesome... for a change. Rather see Chevy leading instead of chasing all the time.

It seems like the drag strip has become something of a sidebar when it comes to vehicle performance metrics nowadays...all the companies, and all the magazines are only taking vehicles seriously if they can put down on a road course or "feel good" around bends.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

All I'm saying is that the Camaro has been a disappointment for me at the dragstrip as a Chevy fan.

The Gen5 wasn't a really shining star on the drag strip..but the new A8 SS is kicking serious ass and showing great potential.

12.0-12.3 times bone stock in the 114-116 MPH range is a really strong starting point and is technically the fastest of the three when it comes to drag racing.

Scat Pack's have slower ET's and Mustangs have slower ET's and lower MPH usually.

I assure you, the new A8 SS won't be a disappointment, nor will the new COPO.

[Doggman]

Originally Posted by shaffe

IIRC I believe the Viper might be canned in 2017

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/14/d...ive-past-2017/

Heh maybe... that article is nothing but speculation based off sales figures. Viper has never sold in large numbers and was never intended to. It was rumored to be dying off at the end of last generation and people were buying up remaining stock as potential investment pieces but that fell through and they made a new one... It would certainly be a shame if they ceased production considering the ACR is and was undeniably the track King for production cars. IMO the Viper and Jeep JK are the only decent things made by the American side of FCA.

[Doggman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

It seems like the drag strip has become something of a sidebar when it comes to vehicle performance metrics nowadays...all the companies, and all the magazines are only taking vehicles seriously if they can put down on a road course or "feel good" around bends.

And rightfully so. Drag strip racing to road course racing is like flag football to tackle football. Certainly have their similarities, both auto-racing, but a critical component is completely absent in one.

[ilirg]

Originally Posted by Doggman

Heh maybe... that article is nothing but speculation based off sales figures. Viper has never sold in large numbers and was never intended to. It was rumored to be dying off at the end of last generation and people were buying up remaining stock as potential investment pieces but that fell through and they made a new one... It would certainly be a shame if they ceased production considering the ACR is and was undeniably the track King for production cars. IMO the Viper and Jeep JK are the only decent things made by the American side of FCA.

I don't remember where I read it, but Marchione (SP?) Pretty much confirmed that the Viper was going to be killed off, mainly because he thinks it doesn't make sense for it to have its own platform. And if it was to come back it would be on a shared platform, and most likely with FI.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

It seems like the drag strip has become something of a sidebar when it comes to vehicle performance metrics nowadays...all the companies, and all the magazines are only taking vehicles seriously if they can put down on a road course or "feel good" around bends.

I think in some geographical areas drag racing is endangered but likely more due to the efforts of the EPA and Developers. There are many who might argue about going in circles being attractive as well. Our local track has both venues and it's the dragstrip and it's spectators paying the bills but that said, the drifting scene seems to be alive and well too. Big money has crept it's way into all motorsports as has the big TV auctions which may be great for the wealthy car collector but it has not been so good for the auto enthusiast.
All I am suggesting is that Chevy produce something more capable than the Italians or Ford for that matter. I know the cars they build can be made to work but for the most part they just don't perform on the dragstrip. As a Chevy enthusiast I take alot of flak from the Ford and Mopar fans. I can put my 3800lb naturally aspirated Chevelle deep into the 9's at will with dinosaur parts (well old school designs at least) so I'd think the newer "better except for styling" Chevy's could do better with all the high tech wazoo parts they have at their disposal. I'm certainly not saying they are turds because they aren't by any stretch but they should be at the top of the food chain on any track.

[RLHMARINES]

If....and I do mean If....Chevy has no other choice but forced induction power on the next gen Z/28, I would rather have a well sorted out low boost twin turbo setup instead of a supercharger due to better heat management and lower CG weight. JMHO.

But...I want another naturally aspirated V8 in the track specific Z/28...this is my hope and desires and we only need about 560-575 hp.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

All I am suggesting is that Chevy produce something more capable than the Italians or Ford for that matter. I know the cars they build can be made to work but for the most part they just don't perform on the dragstrip. As a Chevy enthusiast I take alot of flak from the Ford and Mopar fans. I can put my 3800lb naturally aspirated Chevelle deep into the 9's at will with dinosaur parts (well old school designs at least) so I'd think the newer "better except for styling" Chevy's could do better with all the high tech wazoo parts they have at their disposal. I'm certainly not saying they are turds because they aren't by any stretch but they should be at the top of the food chain on any track.

Modify it.

To be fully transparent, I've never cared for drag racing. It...does nothing for me. So the fact that Chevy doesn't build a car with the drag strip at the forefront really doesn't bother me at all. But that said - I can see the appeal, and the fun-factor for those who do enjoy it. Truly - I get it.

It just does not appear to me (reading reviews, magazines, and manufacturer press releases) that drag racing is the most important feature of a car. They all quote lap times, and lateral Gs...0-60, and Nurburgring testing.

And as fuel economy standards go up...power may begin to wane...or at least plateau. Which means road course stuff and handling will be the only way to keep your fast cars fast...without affecting fuel economy.

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

If....and I do mean If....Chevy has no other choice but forced induction power on the next gen Z/28, I would rather have a well sorted out low boost twin turbo setup instead of a supercharger due to better heat management and lower CG weight. JMHO.

But...I want another naturally aspirated V8 in the track specific Z/28...this is my hope and desires and we only need about 560-575 hp.

Funny you mention lower CG I was reading about the Z06 today; did you know that the LT4 only increases the mass of the an LT1 by about 50 lbs, and the engine itself is only 1" taller than the LT1? I thought that was impressive.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

If....and I do mean If....Chevy has no other choice but forced induction power on the next gen Z/28, I would rather have a well sorted out low boost twin turbo setup instead of a supercharger due to better heat management and lower CG weight. JMHO.

But...I want another naturally aspirated V8 in the track specific Z/28...this is my hope and desires and we only need about 560-575 hp.

I wholeheartedly agree on a TT design but it should be in a V8 powered car. In an N/A powered car chevy might want to develop a 4 valve cylinder head overhead cam design, or better yet do that engine with twin turbo's.