[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

My bet is the next hipo camaro will be the Z28 not the ZL1 just a guess, and follow the corvette going from the ZR1 to ZO6 and use the LT4 with 650hp. I would bet big money that we won't see any horsepower rating over 650hp. If we do I will be the first to admit I was wrong, and I hope I am.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I think you'll find it's not GM/Chevy that is clamoring for our muscling the Hellcat by putting up over 700 HP...it's the fans.

My guess is GM/Chevy is using the mindset of doing more with less.

I wasn't trying to imply they would go for over 700. If it came off that way not my intention. The OP was wondering why a S/C was the route most take. Then SpeedIsLife and myself pointed out how hard it is to make a 500+ HP N/A now with all the regulations/making it reliable.

If this is the car that is to compete with Hellcats and GT500s it would need more than 600HP (LT4 will do the job quite nicely) Not going to be able to do that N/A

[GretchenGotGrowl]

I think the lack of a large displacement (e.g. 7.0L) engine is more a reflection of where we are in the lifecycle of the Gen V engines that the emission issues the Corvette team ran into. They are under a lot of pressure to improve the fuel economy and CO2 emissions for trucks, so most of the initial development went into those engines. Given the Corvette has a unique footprint (6,647 sq in) while the Camaro (6,985 sq in) share a footprint with the new Malibu (6,963 sq in) and Impala (6,925 sq in), they may have same latitude (at least for FE) with the Camaro. The problem is, they needed to roll out the 6th Gen with what Gen V engines they have. It is possible we may see another LTx down the road.

Just putting that out there for everyone to ponder.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by chuckclanton

So...I owned a 2013 ZL1. Found it of only average performance. Too heavy with unbalanced weight. ...

While I think the 5th gen ZL1 is a pretty awesome machine....this is where I think the 6th gen ZL1 is going to make it look slow by comparison.

More HP/TQ on a lighter chassis, that is also more rigid, and handles even better.

Its going to be amazing for sure.

[Bhobbs]

I don't see GM doing another 7.0 liter V8. I would like to see them take the LT1 and upgrade it. It might not make 526 hp like the Voodoo but I don't know that it would need to. Using the LT1 as the base should help keep costs down and they could use that money to take weight out of the car for a Z/28.

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I wasn't trying to imply they would go for over 700. If it came off that way not my intention. The OP was wondering why a S/C was the route most take. Then SpeedIsLife and myself pointed out how hard it is to make a 500+ HP N/A now with all the regulations/making it reliable.

If this is the car that is to compete with Hellcats and GT500s it would need more than 600HP (LT4 will do the job quite nicely) Not going to be able to do that N/A

Yeah a N/A engine will not make enough power to compete with the hellcat or GT500. They will have to go forced induction and go with the LT4. The next ZL1 with the lighter chassis is gonna be awesome. Just ready for the details on it!

[396ssrat]

What you're going to run up against is a lighter meaner "Cuda" with Hellcat type power so forget about the Challenger. Chavy needs to step up their game period. Playing catch up will bite them in the butt. Time to raise the bar Chevy and Mopar has the lead.

[ilirg]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

What you're going to run up against is a lighter meaner "Cuda" with Hellcat type power so forget about the Challenger. Chavy needs to step up their game period. Playing catch up will bite them in the butt. Time to raise the bar Chevy and Mopar has the lead.

What lead is that

[The_Blur]

It doesn't have to be supercharged, but it has to compete in the same market as established competition if it wants to survive. GM also has a lot of confidence in forced induction, and it makes sense to go with an existing engine in place of a potentially new one.

[Battlezone580]

Nothing better than the sound of a nice blower and a great exhaust. Love my ZL1 and wouldn't trade it for anything in the world, I can't even count how many compliments I've gotten on ether on my car.

I can't tell you how many 700whp+ ZL1's I have seen with simple bolt ons, stock rear end and trans... Such a amazing car the 5th Gen ZL1. I can't wait to see the 6th Gen ZL1, going to be a amazing beast.

To answer your question a Blown V8 is easy... You see these exotic V10's that cost 15k for a dam tune up, while a Blown V8 can make easy 700+hp with no issues. Also it keeps costs down for us, if you saw a ZL1 with a V10 it would be 100k+ msrp!

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by ilirg

What lead is that

I have a friend who recently purchased a Hellcat. He installed stick tires and the car is running 7.03's @ 101+ in the 1/8th. Keeping in mind this car weighs in at near 4500 lbs. I'd call that a significant lead in a car which is comfortable and egonomically correct to be seated in. Until I see a 2016 Camaro "in person" with nothing more than sticky tires on the back with zero other mods beat that et and mph I'll remain fixed on what I have seen. I go to the dragstrip weekly and see them run. I have yet to see one 2016 Camaro make a pass. BTW, I am a die hard Chevrolet guy but it is what it is. It is "rare" to see a newer Camaro actually perform, particularly in stock trim without modifications. Once in a while one will show up but it's very rare that they lay down a number. Very rare. Not saying Chevrolet couldn't do it but the last model ZL-1 camaro was a major disappointment on the dragstrip.

[aa406079]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

My bet is the next hipo camaro will be the Z28 not the ZL1 just a guess, and follow the corvette going from the ZR1 to ZO6 and use the LT4 with 650hp. I would bet big money that we won't see any horsepower rating over 650hp. If we do I will be the first to admit I was wrong, and I hope I am.

how much $$$ would you like to bet me in saying the Z28 will be out before the ZL1 again?

I'll take that bet any day of the week, until the NY Auto Show... and then I will collect.

[Faster12]

Here's a solid question to throw in the mix. The Corvette is the pinnacle of American Muscle for Chevy. I'm sure by now some of you have seen the corvette get stomped by the hellcat challenger and charger. Multiple videos, different cars and different drivers. The ZL1/Z28 won't be lighter than the vette, it won't have more horsepower, so i think it's safe to assume that whatever variant of the Camaro is next, it won't hold a candle to the Hellcat in straightline speed. I know Chevy is focused on the track, but why can't they make the total package? I know creating downforce sacrifices the straights, but there has to be an answer. If Dodge could squeeze 707+ hp out of a car and meet all the emissions requirements, why cant Chevy respond? They can't keep arguing that they are making a driver's car that MOST drivers won't ever use in that fashion. It's safe to say that 90% of the ZL1 owners never took their car to a roadcourse, either for lack of location or interest. WE want the FASTEST car that handles well. lol.

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by aa406079

how much $$$ would you like to bet me in saying the Z28 will be out before the ZL1 again?

I'll take that bet any day of the week, until the NY Auto Show... and then I will collect.

I'm saying the next hipo model which should be announced next will be called the Z28. It's just a guess. You never know what GM has up their sleeve. Would it be shocking if they name it a Z28? Yes it would. Just thinking GM will follow the corvette with naming their hipo models. We will see. I'm not gonna bet money on a forum but I'll be the first to say I was not correct and if you are wrong you do the same?

[detltu]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

I have a friend who recently purchased a Hellcat. He installed stick tires and the car is running 7.03's @ 101+ in the 1/8th. Keeping in mind this car weighs in at near 4500 lbs. I'd call that a significant lead in a car which is comfortable and egonomically correct to be seated in. Until I see a 2016 Camaro "in person" with nothing more than sticky tires on the back with zero other mods beat that et and mph I'll remain fixed on what I have seen. I go to the dragstrip weekly and see them run. I have yet to see one 2016 Camaro make a pass. BTW, I am a die hard Chevrolet guy but it is what it is. It is "rare" to see a newer Camaro actually perform, particularly in stock trim without modifications. Once in a while one will show up but it's very rare that they lay down a number. Very rare. Not saying Chevrolet couldn't do it but the last model ZL-1 camaro was a major disappointment on the dragstrip.

Prepare to be disappointed then. The ZL-1 wasn't built to be the ultimate drag car. It was built to do everything well. The LT4 powered 6th gen will likely be close or slightly faster than the hellcat, but if dodge wants to up the game at the drag strip they will be able to beat the Camaro. That's not the Camaro teams focus.