[detltu]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

My bet is the next hipo camaro will be the Z28 not the ZL1 just a guess, and follow the corvette going from the ZR1 to ZO6 and use the LT4 with 650hp. I would bet big money that we won't see any horsepower rating over 650hp. If we do I will be the first to admit I was wrong, and I hope I am.

It wouldn't surprise me if they call it a Z/28 and not a ZL1. We will find out shortly. I hope it's a ZL1 because that means the Z28 is still coming.
Also agree we won't get more than 650hp. Probably 640 to match the CTS-V.

[Faster12]

Originally Posted by detltu

Prepare to be disappointed then. The ZL-1 wasn't built to be the ultimate drag car. It was built to do everything well. The LT4 powered 6th gen will likely be close or slightly faster than the hellcat, but if dodge wants to up the game at the drag strip they will be able to beat the Camaro. That's not the Camaro teams focus.

When you say close or slightly faster, what do you mean? I know there was a beautiful woman who ran low 10's stock in her Z06, but how often has that been replicated? I unfortunately haven't seen a Z06 and hellcat hit the strip together, but I have seen videos of the Z06 getting demolished by both the challenger and the charger, I've seen the CTS-V getting handled by the charger. I just wonder what makes anyone think a heavier (than the corvette) camaro with less power and surely less aerodynamic, will keep up with the hellcat in either form. I've seen a C6 ZR1 take down the new Z06, albeit from a roll. I think as awesome as the C7 is, it still falls very short of the performance i expected from the next generation vette. And I believe this will hold true for whatever Z comes next. It will be an amazing car, but still not King of the road.

[detltu]

Originally Posted by Faster12

When you say close or slightly faster, what do you mean? I know there was a beautiful woman who ran low 10's stock in her Z06, but how often has that been replicated? I unfortunately haven't seen a Z06 and hellcat hit the strip together, but I have seen videos of the Z06 getting demolished by both the challenger and the charger, I've seen the CTS-V getting handled by the charger. I just wonder what makes anyone think a heavier (than the corvette) camaro with less power and surely less aerodynamic, will keep up with the hellcat in either form. I've seen a C6 ZR1 take down the new Z06, albeit from a roll. I think as awesome as the C7 is, it still falls very short of the performance i expected from the next generation vette. And I believe this will hold true for whatever Z comes next. It will be an amazing car, but still not King of the road.

I haven't seen the video's your talking about, but I believe them. When you say demolished, what are we talking about? With the Z06 they blame straight line numbers on the aero. I agree that even with less agressive aero bits, the extra weight of the camaro will keep it from being faster than the Z06. Looking at the official #s though the Z06 is right in line with the hellcat (faster with an auto). It's still probably to much to ask to be faster than the hellcat. I wouldn't be surprised to see mid 11 numbers for the auto though.

The hellcat is really impressive. My buddy has one and it is noticeably faster than my ZL1. I could feel the difference riding in it and it easily pulled away from me with a 50 mph rolling start.

[bdavies11]

Originally Posted by Faster12

Here's a solid question to throw in the mix. The Corvette is the pinnacle of American Muscle for Chevy. I'm sure by now some of you have seen the corvette get stomped by the hellcat challenger and charger.

I've seen several videos on the youtube of Z06's outrunning both hellcats that have stated in the description that both vehicles are stock. The videos posted above don't have any info on mods.

I have a hard time believing that 57hp can make up for a nearly 1,000 lb difference between the two cars. Maybe the hellcat has a higher top speed due to less aero drag but I just don't see it out accelerating a z06 stock for stock.

[big dave]

The way I see it, in my area, seeing a hellcat or ZL1 in the wild is almost as rare as seeing a unicorn. I've seen them both gathered at car shows, but I can count the number of either car I see in a month on one hand.

Somebody has to be faster, in this case it's the Hellcat. It doesn't mean it's the better car. It's all a matter of taste and what you want the car for. For me, I'm a straight line kinda guy so the 'cat would be my choice...I'm not brand loyal. That being said, I do love my ZL1. Yeah, sometimes I do wish for more power, but it can still be very unsafe in stock form in the wrong hands.

I haven't had the opportunity to drive the dodge yet, so I don't know much else about it other than what I read. In person I do like the looks, even though it is quite a bit understated. IMO, in the looks department, the ZL1 does seperate itself more from the SS than the Hellcat from it's lesser siblings. Either way, anyone would be fortunate to have either car. I for one cannot wait to see what the future holds for us muscle car fans, we need to embrace these hp wars while we have them, I don't see it going like this much longer.

[jessrayo]

Why supercharged? Because FI makes a lot more power. GM is pretty comfortable with the supercharged V8's these days and they have proven very reliable.

The new ZL1 will be better than the hellcat at the drag strip, I'm certain of it. If not, mod the ZL1, that is the beauty of GM cars, they are incredibly easy to mod. You are talking big bucks if you want to make big mods to a dodge.

[Tr6]

Answer to the title: They won't use "old" engines on the new eye candy camaro at least very unlikely especially since they have the LT4. 650 hp/tq on the alpha platform? Yes please.

[DrkPhx]

What if the next Z car is a Z/28 and it's supercharged?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

What if the next Z car is a Z/28 and it's supercharged?

That would be lame.

[detltu]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

What if the next Z car is a Z/28 and it's supercharged?

I think it means we won't be getting another naturally aspirated V8 for the Camaro. It would also leave the ZL1's fate up in the air.

If the LT4 car is called ZL-1 then we still have a Z/28 to look forward to with an as yet unknown engine.

It wouldn't surprise me to have the LT4 car called a Z/28. That nameplate is too important to leave off and the 6th gen LT4 car will outperform the previous Z/28.

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

What if the next Z car is a Z/28 and it's supercharged?

Exactly, this is where I think GM is going with it. They already have the 1LE so no need for another track Z28 model.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

What if the next Z car is a Z/28 and it's supercharged?

They built a Z06 with a supercharged engine...precedence has been set....

BUT! Comments seem to indicate that the ZL1 is a more "GT" car, featuring all the comfort goodies, and the go-fast performance. A...1LE with a more powerful engine and 2SS trim, if you will...

The Z/28 still seems to fill the slot of the "racer".

The 1LE is *not* a replacement for the Z/28. As awesome as it is...it's not enough to hold the Z/28 mantle. The new 1LE is three seconds faster than an SS (which is roughly as fast as the outgoing 1LE)...that's still not as fast as the outgoing Z/28. They can do better.

[DenverTaco07]

The LT4 could be used in more than 1 upcoming version. Look, as long as they provide a high Horsepower touring type vehicle like what the ZL1 was last gen, I don't really care what they call it.

It would be weird of them to change the lineup so drastically after a single gen, and when did the Z/28 come out for gen 5...2014?

My bet is they come out with both a ZL1 and Z/28 matching the intended purposes from last gen (ZL1= HIPO touring GT, Z/28 track beast) and they may even share the same power plant.

Or the other plausible scenario (IMO) is they come out with a single nameplate and to get the track beast it is similar to what ford has in the GT350 vs. GT350R. So...ZL1 w/ Z/28 package gets you a Z/28 logo, has the same Lt4, but with some different aero, maybe takes out the back seats, adds spool valve suspension. IDK, we will just have to wait and see i guess.

[GoneBoy]

All I know is that after seeing those menacing pics of the 1LE, I can barely contain myself as we wait for the supercharged lt4. I really really hope they go with the square setup that they seemed to have on the nurburgring. Even the ss's stance look pretty good in person with the narrower body and 275s in the rear.

Who knows, maybe the next z28 won't be a one trick pony and it may pack a few more amenities than the last gen. I just find it interesting that so many people are clamoring for tech details on the new z28 even though so few bought the last one. If I were in that market, I'd be interested in price price price...Tell me GM, will it compete with the msrp of the gt350r? But that's just me.

IMO (and I know some may find this funny), I believe the new zl1 could set the new benchmark for lthe 'uxury/ more-than-track-capable' car at an attainable price....the same way the M3 did back in the 90's. I'm not even sure who holds this bonafide title right now. And while I truly believe this could happen, for whatever reason some folks won't be able to get over the fact that it's still a 'Camaro', so they'll shell out a lot more coin for a vehicle lacking such stunning performance and also the Chevrolet badge. I guess to each his own.