[snakekiller]

GTO was awesome and underappreciated

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by snakekiller

GTO was awesome and underappreciated

I liked it except for it's looks. I didn't feel it should have been called a GTO.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

the GTO was a very good car in every way. Just wasnt for me though.

[syr74]

Folks are really making this more complicated than it has to be. Is the Camaro SS a match for a base Mustang GT? It would appear so. Is the Camaro SS a match for a Brembo equipped Mustang with the 3.73:1 gears? No.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by syr74

Folks are really making this more complicated than it has to be. Is the Camaro SS a match for a base Mustang GT? It would appear so. Is the Camaro SS a match for a Brembo equipped Mustang with the 3.73:1 gears? No.

I think it goes like this.

The base GT without the brembo package(mainly for the tires) and the gear will be at a slight disadvantage compared to the SS. The GT with the brembo package(again mainly for the tires) and gear will have a slight advantage over the SS.

Either way it will be a drivers race.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by syr74

Folks are really making this more complicated than it has to be. Is the Camaro SS a match for a base Mustang GT? It would appear so. Is the Camaro SS a match for a Brembo equipped Mustang with the 3.73:1 gears? No.

It's not really a base Mustang GT though, it has the 3.73 gears at least.

Also, the Car and Driver review has the SS beating the Mustang Brembo equipped Mustang with 3.73 gears in the 1/4 mile. I'd have to completely disagree with you and agree with Sax up there. He has a more realistic view based on the reviews.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

You just won't give it up even when you directly contradict yourself in 2 posts in a row.

The Mustang (on all season tires no less) MATCHED the Camaro SS in 0-60 and lost by only 2/10ths in the 1/4 mile. Essentially a drivers race... and one that can be matched up closer for by the fact the Stang doesn't have Summer tires like the Camaro. But you say the Mustang is inferior in every way. Then you bring up that its all a drivers race.

Get your story straight before you decide to debate people.

PS Man I said I was done with this post but I just couldn't let this one go.

Listen up Sensitive Guy... as I don't think U have ever been in a street race let alone on a track, because 2/10ths... in the 1/4 Mile is a LIFETIME if U have ever raced for Drinks, Pinks, or Panties (It was a helluva night)

The fact that the Mustang had All Seasons on is damn near negated by the fact the Camaro has 20 inch, heavier wheels. Let's not also forget that the Camaro is 200+ lbs heavier basically due to the fact that it's almost in a different size segment altogether.

BTW.. if U care to READ... instead of trying to "Court" me.. U might have seen that my EXACT Quote was :

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Effin Great XvX

I'm sorry.:( I should have defended the Mustang even tho I think it's inferiority in every way that would motivate me to write a check.

U SEE??? U SEE??? The part I underlined??? The part that went way beyond your comprehension skills???


Motivation for me would be LOOKS, PERFORMANCE, WOW Effect, and Engine Reliability.

The Mustang's Engine is to new for me to know about it's durability., It looks like DoG Poop in every form except the GT500, and while it's performance is sweet... it's about as eye catching as a watching Rosie O'Donnel walk around topless at the beach. OK.. BAD example.. because it would be eye catching.. but in a BAD WAY:(


POINT Is... I didn't contradict myself at all.. U just didn't READ

[Sax1031]

Some of the crying about the 200+ lb weight difference, 20 inch wheels, lack of gearing, lack of track pack, etc... is sad.

These tests will never be "fair". The only thing you can go off is what you can get from the factory for the Stang and the SS.

I don't hear you guys saying the race isn't fair because the Chevy has 1.2 more liters.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Some of the crying about the 200+ lb weight difference, 20 inch wheels, lack of gearing, lack of track pack, etc... is sad.

These tests will never be "fair". The only thing you can go off is what you can get from the factory for the Stang and the SS.

I don't hear you guys saying the race isn't fair because the Chevy has 1.2 more liters.

Or more HP & TQ

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

the 5.0 was in development before the new Camaro even came out. And Camaro wasnt "gone", it was dead. The Mustang revived it with the 2005 design that started the retro craze which is why the Camaro went retro as well.
in 2005 ford upped the power of the mustang from 260hp to 300hp (trap speeds indicate closer to 325hp) even though they had no competition from GM. They built the 500hp GT500 in 2006-2007 even though GM didnt have anything to compete with it, so its not like fords been sitting on their butts doing nothing with the Crustang.

Originally Posted by Sax1031

To claim ford didn't improve the Mustang while the Camaro was out of the game is down right stupid.

Are U two actually trying to defend a TOP END N/A V8... in the year 2010 still making 315HP???

A 4.0L :( OHC V6 only making 210HP???

GOOD GOD.... No wonder U Ford fans are such in an upheaval right now. Ford STARVED U of any real juice for so long.

When the Camaro LEFT in 2002 it had 330HP for GODSAKE. IN 2002!!!

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Just to clarify Rouge the Mustang with all-season tires got a 13.3 and the same stang with summer only tires got 13.0. A tenth better better then the 13.1 Camaro, so technially what he is saying is correct. He's just a little harsh with the way he is saying things tho.

Truth of the matter it's a driver race, simple as that. Any slip will result in a loss.

I apologize if I come off as harsh. But when and where I came up... "Survivor" wasn't a TV Show.. it was reality... and Barney the Purple Dinosaur would have gotten his ass kicked on a regular basis.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that America has gotten SOFT... and it's people to sensitive

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Are U two actually trying to defend a TOP END N/A V8... in the year 2010 still making 315HP???

A 4.0L :( OHC V6 only making 210HP???

GOOD GOD.... No wonder U Ford fans are such in an upheaval right now. Ford STARVED U of any real juice for so long.

When the Camaro LEFT in 2002 it had 330HP for GODSAKE. IN 2002!!!

And although I personally liked the car obviously not to many people did huh so all that power must not be to important

[Sax1031]

And in 2003 the mustang had 420-430hp. What is your point?

Ford improved the GTs even without the direct competition of a Camaro.

Ford starting offering a 500hp+ Mustang without the direct competition of the Camaro.

I will say with the Camaro coming back Ford started going a little more radical.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by meanmike

so all that power must not be to important

Then why is everyone fighting like cats and dogs in this thread? Of course power is important, it primarily is the most important thing. That is not why the Camaro went on hiatus.