[meanmike]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Awww but they did have competition from GM. The GTO hit the market in 04 with 350hp and then 05 with 400hp, and was whipping up on the mustang as far as performance wise. GT's didn't want any parts of a GTO. That's just proof tho that the better performer faster car isn't what will sell tho. Many didn't like the looks of the GTO and just over looked it. But there was competition with the GTO and the Charger.

You cant really call it competition if no one bought them. And dont get me wrong I see what your saying and I hope you get what I'm saying.

[Angrybird 12]

Please get this back on topic, this thread has NOTHING to do with the GT500, Just the plain old GT... All the talk about the GT500 has nothing to do with the comparison test this thread is about...

[Reeko]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

Are you an engineer? How do you know this? The aftermarket has nearly nothing so far for this car just like with the Camaro for a short while. I'm sure given a year there will be plenty of "affordable" upgrades for the 5.0, its a brand new engine it JUST came out.

I would think that the LS3 has years of aftermarket develoment. So the above statement is incorrect.

[Reeko]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

the 5.0 was in development before the new Camaro even came out. And Camaro wasnt "gone", it was dead. The Mustang revived it with the 2005 design that started the retro craze which is why the Camaro went retro as well.
in 2005 ford upped the power of the mustang from 260hp to 300hp (trap speeds indicate closer to 325hp) even though they had no competition from GM. They built the 500hp GT500 in 2006-2007 even though GM didnt have anything to compete with it, so its not like fords been sitting on their butts doing nothing with the Crustang.

I thought the GT500 was trying to compete with the Vette. So saying that GM had nothing to compete with it is not true.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Awww but they did have competition from GM. The GTO hit the market in 04 with 350hp and then 05 with 400hp, and was whipping up on the mustang as far as performance wise. GT's didn't want any parts of a GTO. That's just proof tho that the better performer faster car isn't what will sell tho. Many didn't like the looks of the GTO and just over looked it. But there was competition with the GTO and the Charger.

Remember the GTO was much more costly than the mustang back then. The mach 1 and cobra were closer in price to the GTO than the base GT was and the 04 gto and mach 1 were very similar in performance. The cobra was much faster.

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

The part about it being a drivers race is correct, I've said the same.

The part about the Mustang being inferior in every way contradicts that when in reality it can match the Camaro. Thats what I was pointing out.

He's just being immature, it's just one of those things. Maybe a bad day at work, maybe he's just like that. With the brembos/tires, the mustang outstops and outhandles the camaro. Almost every reviewer has rated the interior higher, but that's subjective and not really a good point. Really, neither car is inferior to the other in any way besides handling when it comes down to it and 99% of drivers will never take them to a road course anyway. It's damn near equal and buying one or the other for any edge in performance would be foolish because of how slight it is. I don't know where the inferiority idea comes from Maybe fanboyism? No, couldn't be.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by meanmike

You cant really call it competition if no one bought them. And dont get me wrong I see what your saying and I hope you get what I'm saying.

I get exactly what you are saying, I just wanted to point out that GM did offer a performance car that wasn't Vette, that was considered for the average joe. And just to throw this out there the GTO was never met to sale to the masses either it was a limited run, so in that case it was similar to what the Challenger is marketed at. So we better not call the Challenger competition either because those don't sell well either..

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Awww but they did have competition from GM. The GTO hit the market in 04 with 350hp and then 05 with 400hp, and was whipping up on the mustang as far as performance wise. GT's didn't want any parts of a GTO. That's just proof tho that the better performer faster car isn't what will sell tho. Many didn't like the looks of the GTO and just over looked it. But there was competition with the GTO and the Charger.

oh snaps i forgot about the GTO LOL

i wouldnt count the Charger as real competition for the Mustang, though performance wise it was.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Remember the GTO was much more costly than the mustang back then. The mach 1 and cobra were closer in price to the GTO than the base GT was and the 04 gto and mach 1 were very similar in performance. The cobra was much faster.

It wasn't that much more. Same price as a 1SS is today. I got mine brand new in 05 for 30275. The GT I wanted at the time was in the 32k price range. So the prices weren't that far off.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

oh snaps i forgot about the GTO LOL

i wouldnt count the Charger as real competition for the Mustang, though performance wise it was.

Yes sir, I think everyone forgot about the GTO since GM butchered the hell out of it. And I own one , but I actually like the look of the GTO its got a heavy European influence on it and I actually like that type of styling.

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by Reeko

I would think that the LS3 has years of aftermarket develoment. So the above statement is incorrect.

No it didn't. First off the LS3 came out in 2008 so thats only two years. While the LS3 is from the LSx series of engines, and parts developers had a head start as well certain parts (superchargers, cams, heads, etc) would basically "bolt on", headers, intakes, etc, anything computer related, and everything else optomized to work with the Camaro's specific setup was not. Even the super and turbo charger couldn't just be "bolted on" because of the computer and related systems are difefrent on the Camaro. if you were watching the site and progress last year it took a few months before there were a lot of aftermarket choices. So yes my statement is correct.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ssump29

It wasn't that much more. Same price as a 1SS is today. I got mine brand new in 05 for 30275. The GT I wanted at the time was in the 32k price range. So the prices weren't that far off.

The GTO MSRP'd for 33k with zero options. The only option was the 18" wheels I think right? The mustang started just over 26k back then. That's quite a gap. Meanwhile the cobra had almost exactly the same base price and the mach 1 was still cheaper.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

The GTO MSRP'd for 33k with zero options. The only option was the 18" wheels I think right? The mustang started just over 26k back then. That's quite a gap. Meanwhile the cobra had almost exactly the same base price and the mach 1 was still cheaper.

Yes but we all know you never ever have to pay what the MSRP is. And a well optioned Mustang back then like the one I wanted would put you into the 32k range. But its all good I do see what you are staying. Most said the difference was because you was paying extra for way more performance.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

The GTO MSRP'd for 33k with zero options. The only option was the 18" wheels I think right? The mustang started just over 26k back then. That's quite a gap. Meanwhile the cobra had almost exactly the same base price and the mach 1 was still cheaper.

Yep the GTO and 04 Cobra were very close in price, but not performance.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Most said the difference was because you was paying extra for way more performance.

And if that was what you were going for you would have gone with a 04 Cobra.

It shitted all over the GTO in performance.