[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

People are reporting there stock SS are running consistent 3.9s once broken in with some miles on them factory stock.

According to the factory timers, which are not as accurate or foolproof as some think. Not saying it doesn't happen but getting a 0-60 and 1/4 from the same run is much more accurate. For example I've ran 0-60 in 4.2 and a 12.4@116mph 1/4. No prep street surface with no warming of the tires. 3.9 would probably be 12 flat. Very hard to do on anything short of a strip with good air and prep.

[ron scubadiver]

Originally Posted by pdiddy972

I know I wasn't the person who said it, but I'll give you two:

Take, for example, some Porsche models. If you do them 0-60 they look great. But if you change the race to 5-60 they LOSE 1-2 full seconds getting to 60, because they can't use their hyper-optimized launch control and are actually gutless in terms of low-end torque.

This is the problem with most turbocharged cars. They are gutless from a slow roll. The 911 Turbo (top of the line model) is an exception, and the 4L AMG V8 isn't bad. Tesla's with two motors take off like a rocket, but require too much hassle for long trips.

[VAZL1]

Originally Posted by Brigante

Now the stang is as quick as the 6th gen, if not quicker. Plus it looks better. Profit.
The gt500 will bury the zl1 in every freakin' aspect. Probably expect for handling, but who really gives a damn about it.
The upcoming 19' camaro must get some serious visual changes, otherwise we're ucked, till the 7th gen.
P.s. Few years ago I was waiting for the 6th gen so much, who knew that they would release the ugliest camaro ever...

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

People are reporting there stock SS are running consistent 3.9s once broken in with some miles on them factory stock.

My 2SS 6M did it a few times while stock but the track was pretty fast that night and DA was around 0. 12.4 quarter, 1.8 60'. My girlfriends A8 SS that night was .1 faster. Where these hero runs? Maybe but the fastest I ever got my S550 stock (same track 2 years earlier) was a 13.2 and a 2.2 60'

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by pdiddy972

I know I wasn't the person who said it, but I'll give you two:

1) Few people actually race from a stop. One reason is because it's hardest on the power train. The other is that it's simply much more likely you'll find someone while already moving and go from a roll.

2) 0-60 times have become a near useless indicator because of the all the hyper-optimization of them by manufacturers. To the point they aren't truly indicative of anything BUT 0-60. What do I mean? Take, for example, some Porsche models. If you do them 0-60 they look great. But if you change the race to 5-60 they LOSE 1-2 full seconds getting to 60, because they can't use their hyper-optimized launch control and are actually gutless in terms of low-end torque.

He gone.

[SDG23]

I think the only people getting excited about this are the Mustang guys, they're the ones who needed the upgrade, not the Camaro folks.

When I see the same HP as the SS, less TQ, and that it's probably heavier than the SS is, I don't see why people think it's going to be faster. Sure Ford claims sub 4sec 0-60 times, but is that going to be marketing hype like the Dodge Demon claiming 9.65 sec 1/4 mile when in reality that only happens in perfect (and I mean PERFECT) conditions? I say yes, most likely. The Mustang guys assume that all they'll have to do is put it in drive and stomp the gas and viola, sub 4sec 0-60 times, but I doubt that will be the case.

I'm not saying it'll be faster than the SS or slower, it's too early to tell, but I can't get excited about a car who's performance level is just now closer to what the 6th Gen SS has been all along, that's not exciting, that's Ford trying to play catch up since the 6th Gen Camaro handed the 6th Gen Mustang it's ass. Of course some Mustang guys will be cocky thinking it'll stomp the SS, but I have a feeling that won't be the case.

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by SDG23

I think the only people getting excited about this are the Mustang guys, they're the ones who needed the upgrade, not the Camaro folks.

When I see the same HP as the SS, less TQ, and that it's probably heavier than the SS is, I don't see why people think it's going to be faster. Sure Ford claims sub 4sec 0-60 times, but is that going to be marketing hype like the Dodge Demon claiming 9.65 sec 1/4 mile when in reality that only happens in perfect (and I mean PERFECT) conditions? I say yes, most likely. The Mustang guys assume that all they'll have to do is put it in drive and stomp the gas and viola, sub 4sec 0-60 times, but I doubt that will be the case.

I'm not saying it'll be faster than the SS or slower, it's too early to tell, but I can't get excited about a car who's performance level is just now closer to what the 6th Gen SS has been all along, that's not exciting, that's Ford trying to play catch up since the 6th Gen Camaro handed the 6th Gen Mustang it's ass. Of course some Mustang guys will be cocky thinking it'll stomp the SS, but I have a feeling that won't be the case.

what about when the 2011 5.0 Mustang handed the 5th gen Camaro it's ass? wasn't Chevy the one playing catch up then?

[ChefBorOzzy]

The S197 was barely quicker than the fat 5th gen.. The gap was much smaller than the gap that existed so far this gen.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

That 10 speed made big improvements for the Mustang, just like I said it would. Also, the engine is likely making better TQ under the curve, although not like the LT1.

No surprise to me that the Mustang is now basically on equal footing with the Camaro. We've seen the Camaro tested under 4.0 also, so they are the same in 0 - 60 folks.

Last comparison we'll wait for is how does she drive? Does it handle and feel like the alpha based Camaro? I think that will be a taller order for Ford to match.

Found this on the Ford website..."The 10-speed architecture, featuring a Ford-patented power-flow and Ford-patented direct-acting hydraulic controls, is designed for optimum ratio progression and efficiency. It also provides more accurate, quicker upshift and downshift capability".

Not sure how patents work, but does GM have to pay Ford for the use of the 10 speed auto, since it is now used in the ZL1 ?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

what about when the 2011 5.0 Mustang handed the 5th gen Camaro it's ass? wasn't Chevy the one playing catch up then?

Well that's an exaggeration if I ever heard one. The 11 Coyote didn't hand anything to anyone. I like how these days if you barely pull on someone then everyone starts saying you handed him his ass. Get real. The 11 GT was barely faster. And I mean barely. It was basically a driver's race. The GT was lighter by a good amount and it had a solid axle. And it still was barely able to eek out an advantage. Now handing an ass over is what the Camaro did to the Mustang in 16, lol!! I mean, it isn't even close by any stretch of the imagination.

[Childs Play]

Originally Posted by Brigante

Now the stang is as quick as the 6th gen, if not quicker. Plus it looks better. Profit.
The gt500 will bury the zl1 in every freakin' aspect. Probably expect for handling, but who really gives a damn about it.
The upcoming 19' camaro must get some serious visual changes, otherwise we're ucked, till the 7th gen.
P.s. Few years ago I was waiting for the 6th gen so much, who knew that they would release the ugliest camaro ever...

This just in. Looks aren't subjective anymore.

[drew peacock]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well that's an exaggeration if I ever heard one. The 11 Coyote didn't hand anything to anyone. I like how these days if you barely pull on someone then everyone starts saying you handed him his ass. Get real. The 11 GT was barely faster. And I mean barely. It was basically a driver's race. The GT was lighter by a good amount and it had a solid axle. And it still was barely able to eek out an advantage. Now handing an ass over is what the Camaro did to the Mustang in 16, lol!! I mean, it isn't even close by any stretch of the imagination.

lol this bozo is a fool...the s197 is a collosal pos...worst car i have ever owned and driven.
the cotyote motor better than a l99 ls3?
lol not a fekin chance..

[drew peacock]

Originally Posted by Childs Play

This just in. Looks aren't subjective anymore.

just jealousy dude...everyone i have shown says the gen6 camaro is simply jaw dropping to look at.
the s550 is pig ugly pos and they need to get real..

[Camaro Maybe]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

That 10 speed made big improvements for the Mustang, just like I said it would. Also, the engine is likely making better TQ under the curve, although not like the LT1.

No surprise to me that the Mustang is now basically on equal footing with the Camaro. We've seen the Camaro tested under 4.0 also, so they are the same in 0 - 60 folks.

Last comparison we'll wait for is how does she drive? Does it handle and feel like the alpha based Camaro? I think that will be a taller order for Ford to match.

Yeah I drove the 2017 Camaro SS and Mustang GT back to back and I thought the same thing even though I wanted to wait to see what updates they made on the Stang before my final decision, I don't see how they bridge the gap in the handling even with Performance Pack and Magnaride....but I want to give it a try. I do love the new instrumentation, I love the Stang seats and that 10 speed is enticing.