[crossroaddemons]

Being number 1 in anything is temporary at best!

[travislambert]

So installing the ZL1 1LE wheels and tires looks like it's going to make the speedometer off by about 4 percent. So for every 100 miles you drive, your car logs 104 miles.

I've been reading and it looks like many folks have asked dealerships to re-calibrate for different tire sizes and have been denied. Obviously HP Tuners can make the change, but most people probably won't want to void their warranty for a speedometer correction.

I know about the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, but does anybody know of any official statements from GM addressing speedometer calibration?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by travislambert

So installing the ZL1 1LE wheels and tires looks like it's going to make the speedometer off by about 4 percent. So for every 100 miles you drive, your car logs 104 miles.

I've been reading and it looks like many folks have asked dealerships to re-calibrate for different tire sizes and have been denied. Obviously HP Tuners can make the change, but most people probably won't want to void their warranty for a speedometer correction.

I know about the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, but does anybody know of any official statements from GM addressing speedometer calibration?

There's another issue....I don't think the fronts will fit. Look at how skinny/compact they made this generation DSSV struts. Last gen Z/28 wasn't like this...I think this was necessary to fit the 305 wheel/tire in there.

[hotlap]

I still don't get how the 1LE option devalues a ZL1 so here is a true analogy.

I ordered my A8 2SS in January 2016 and the blade spoiler delayed its production until late April. In February, Chevy revealed the SS-1LE at the Chicago auto show.

1) The SS-1LE's arrival didn't surprise anyone.
2) The SS-1LE is aimed at a different customer for a different purpose.
3) My, yet to be built, 2SS didn't devalue in light of the new 1LE. Nor did any M6 SS. (See #2)

Compare that scenario to the ZL1-1LE.

1) Camo photos of this car have been circulating longer than anyone's ZL1 order. Big tires and all! The only surprise is the name so why didn't you wait?
2) The ZL1-1LE is far more track oriented than the SS-1LE and will be a punishing car to drive on the street with capabilities that can only be appreciated on a road course.
3) Triple threat vs single purpose. Especially in the case of A10 cars (see #2)

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I still don't get how the 1LE option devalues a ZL1 so here is a true analogy.

I ordered my A8 2SS in January 2016 and the blade spoiler delayed its production until late April. In February, Chevy revealed the SS-1LE at the Chicago auto show.

1) The SS-1LE's arrival didn't surprise anyone.
2) The SS-1LE is aimed at a different customer for a different purpose.
3) My, yet to be built, 2SS didn't devalue in light of the new 1LE. Nor did any M6 SS. (See #2)

Compare that scenario to the ZL1-1LE.

1) Camo photos of this car have been circulating longer than anyone's ZL1 order. Big tires and all! The only surprise is the name so why didn't you wait?
2) The ZL1-1LE is far more track oriented than the SS-1LE and will be a punishing car to drive on the street with capabilities that can only be appreciated on a road course.
3) Triple threat vs single purpose. Especially in the case of A10 cars (see #2)

It does seem like if they revealed a Z/28 nameplate, this thread would not exist. But because it is a package for the ZL1, which keeps the heated and cooled seats, this somehow devalues all other ZL1's. I don't get it one bit, but op feels pretty confident GM shafted us.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I still don't get how the 1LE option devalues a ZL1 so here is a true analogy.

I ordered my A8 2SS in January 2016 and the blade spoiler delayed its production until late April. In February, Chevy revealed the SS-1LE at the Chicago auto show.

1) The SS-1LE's arrival didn't surprise anyone.
2) The SS-1LE is aimed at a different customer for a different purpose.
3) My, yet to be built, 2SS didn't devalue in light of the new 1LE. Nor did any M6 SS. (See #2)

Compare that scenario to the ZL1-1LE.

1) Camo photos of this car have been circulating longer than anyone's ZL1 order. Big tires and all! The only surprise is the name so why didn't you wait?
2) The ZL1-1LE is far more track oriented than the SS-1LE and will be a punishing car to drive on the street with capabilities that can only be appreciated on a road course.
3) Triple threat vs single purpose. Especially in the case of A10 cars (see #2)

Well said sir! /thread

[Bow Tie Affair]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

There's another issue....I don't think the fronts will fit. Look at how skinny/compact they made this generation DSSV struts. Last gen Z/28 wasn't like this...I think this was necessary to fit the 305 wheel/tire in there.
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Excellent observation. This is the biggest issue fitting wider wheels on a car.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Nor Cal ZL1

I think GM may have slightly damaged their own ZL1 sales and orders. Should be some good deals soon on the orders that are not picked up, or those who are going to wait for the 1LE version. Smart to wait it out for a bit and not jump on the hype train.

I don't see the problem. Every single ZL1 1LE sale is still a ZL1 sale.

If you cancel your order, your car doesn't get built. The allocation slot goes to someone else or is used to stock the dealership.

Sure, there might be a handful that cancel after the build process begins but that is going to be a very tiny number. And all that happens is GM sells the car to the dealership anyway, then its up to the dealer to find a customer -which shouldn't be too hard. There aren't that many ways to build a ZL1 so its pretty difficult to build an oddball of a car that few will want.

Originally Posted by travislambert

I hear what you're saying, but the massive depreciation of the Camaro isn't normal. GM has a lot of control over the depreciation and their actions aren't doing any favors to owners.

GM does a much better job with their trucks. Just to give you an example. In 2014 I ordered a new GMC Sierra 1500 4WD SLT with a 6.2 and the max trailering package (top of the line Sierra 1500 aside from the Denali package which was only like $1,500 more, but the max trailering I wanted isn't offered with the Denali package).

I paid right at $50K for this truck. 3 years and 27,000 miles later it books for almost $38K. My Camaro depreciated more in 8 months with 3K miles than this truck has to date.

I get that a sports car depreciates more than a truck, but in the Camaro's case incremental model year improvements (instead of consolidating changes into major updates), massive incentives, refusal to offer infotainment software updates, etc.. completely kills any resell value.

I don't mind paying a premium to keep new vehicles, but I feel like GM is severely devaluing these cars with unnecessary actions.

(I still like their products. Their market tactics are just poor IMO.)

Typically, options don't really add much to the resale value of a car. Especially if its an option that doesn't have much broad appeal. And I've never heard of options devaluing the resale of previously existing cars. Actual upgrades and improvements to the 'regular' model will, like if the 2018 ZL1 came with 710 hp instead of 650. But a new tickbox on the order form? Not really. I mean, I'm sure it happens but I bet 99% of the time the used car buyers don't care.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

There's another issue....I don't think the fronts will fit. Look at how skinny/compact they made this generation DSSV struts. Last gen Z/28 wasn't like this...I think this was necessary to fit the 305 wheel/tire in there.
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Hmmm ,maybe a cancellation in your future? I Would think this Zl1 1le would be perfect for you .

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by travislambert

Is anyone else frustrated with the ZL1 1LE announcement?

When I ordered my ZL1, I knew of the possibility of track focused addition to the lineup, but I didn't expect the new car to compete with the ZL1 directly. I was expecting a stripped down version that I wouldn't have been interested in anyway.

The new ZL1 1LE has all of the bells and whistles, heated/cooled seats, dual climate control, etc.. as well as much needed wider tires, better looking wheels, red brake calipers, and most importantly better performance.

This car is going to compete for the same customers as the regular ZL1, ultimately devaluing all of the ZL1s that their most loyal customers already ordered. This frustrates me especially since I just took a $16,000 value drop on the '16 SS I bought last June.

i'd be pissed.

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I still don't get how the 1LE option devalues a ZL1 so here is a true analogy.

I ordered my A8 2SS in January 2016 and the blade spoiler delayed its production until late April. In February, Chevy revealed the SS-1LE at the Chicago auto show.

1) The SS-1LE's arrival didn't surprise anyone.
2) The SS-1LE is aimed at a different customer for a different purpose.
3) My, yet to be built, 2SS didn't devalue in light of the new 1LE. Nor did any M6 SS. (See #2)

Compare that scenario to the ZL1-1LE.

1) Camo photos of this car have been circulating longer than anyone's ZL1 order. Big tires and all! The only surprise is the name so why didn't you wait?
2) The ZL1-1LE is far more track oriented than the SS-1LE and will be a punishing car to drive on the street with capabilities that can only be appreciated on a road course.
3) Triple threat vs single purpose. Especially in the case of A10 cars (see #2)

Like it or not, perception is 100% reality.

Here's the first paragraph from the Jalopnik article on the ZL1 1LE

Chevy’s ZL1 is already a total monster on the track, but now the brand is offering a 1LE performance package which could very possibly mean we all need to brace ourselves for the beastliest Camaro to ever hit the streets.

First paragraph from the Motor Trend press release:

Since its launch in 2012, the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 has developed a reputation for being the muscle car of the Camaro lineup. The debut of the 2017 Camaro ZL1 helped change that perception with its more track-capable performance, and now the surprise reveal of the ZL1 1LE turns the idea that the model is only good for burnouts completely on its head.

Autoblog:

The beastly Camaro ZL1 has been turned up to 11 with the newly introduced 1LE performance package. Like on the V6 and V8 Camaros, the 1LE option package for the ZL1 adds a bunch of track-ready goodies. And fittingly, the most powerful Camaro gets the most major transformation.

No where in any of these articles does it state that this is a "Track Only" package designed for track enthusiasts and not meant for street use.

If you go by these press releases, the ZL1 1LE is now the "big dog" in the lineup followed by the A10 and then the lowly M6 regular ZL1. Again perception is reality.

As I've stated before, I have absolutely no problem with the ZL1 1LE. It's a fantastic package. My complaint is with the timing of this announcement. With two more order cycles left in this model year and customers still waiting for their orders to be built or delivered, this announcement really "dumped" on those customers. Chevy could have made this announcement in late April or May and this thread would never have happened.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Gen5_1Le

Hmmm ,maybe a cancellation in your future? I Would think this Zl1 1le would be perfect for you .

You don't know how close to the mark you are.........

[detltu]

Originally Posted by Sven59

I heard a rumor they will be revealing the 1/4 mile version of the ZL1 shortly.

That actually wouldn't shock me. Maybe use the same lightweight items, remove the aero. Skinnier front tires. Pair it with the 10 speed. Not sure what suspension to use . Solid rear axle? Something to compete with the demon. I doubt they can compete with the demon which would make it even more impressive if they did.

We saw a ZL1 without the aero so maybe.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by hotlap

1) Camo photos of this car have been circulating longer than anyone's ZL1 order. Big tires and all! The only surprise is the name so why didn't you wait?

The answer is in my original post. I think we were all expecting more of a stripped-down track car closer to the 5th Gen Z/28. I had no desire for this. Instead we got a street-car with all of the creature comforts that's great for the track. This does appeal to me.

Originally Posted by hotlap

2) The ZL1-1LE is far more track oriented than the SS-1LE and will be a punishing car to drive on the street with capabilities that can only be appreciated on a road course.

Maybe, but I'm skeptical. I don't think anyone will know for certain how punishing the car is on the street until we drive it. I'm thinking the ride quality will be an improvement on the Z/28. If the ride quality is truly terrible for the street, my guess is that GM would have taken the car a step further by stripping it down and calling it a Z/28. It's anybody's guess, this is just my guess.

Originally Posted by hotlap

3) Triple threat vs single purpose. Especially in the case of A10 cars (see #2)

I see your point, but that just not the way I see it. I've mentioned my position as a street car. Here's a 1/4 mile example: Traction is the biggest challenge for great 1/4 mile times on the stock setup. I know the aero of the 1LE isn't favorable for the drag strip, but I wouldn't be surprised if the lighter wheels and improved traction of the wider rear tires more than made up the difference.