[Zack46]

Originally Posted by Chad0311

I mean, it sounds like you're always going to want the biggest and best as soon as it comes out. So I'm not sure what the point of even complaining about incentives and taking massive depreciation hits is.. They always offer incentives on these cars. Even the Corvette Z06 gets them. And here you are again being first in line to get a ZL1 after taking a 15k hit on an SS.

I get it dude, really I do. But there comes a point in time where you either are going to have to accept that you're going to lose your ass on depreciation buying vehicles the way you do or just take a back seat and wait for incentives to roll out for a car you really want instead of being the first in line every time they announce a new vehicle.

Just my 2 cents, don't mean any offense by it.

good points here, well done!

[GoneBoy]

Originally Posted by Chad0311

I mean, it sounds like you're always going to want the biggest and best as soon as it comes out. So I'm not sure what the point of even complaining about incentives and taking massive depreciation hits is.. They always offer incentives on these cars. Even the Corvette Z06 gets them. And here you are again being first in line to get a ZL1 after taking a 15k hit on an SS.

I get it dude, really I do. But there comes a point in time where you either are going to have to accept that you're going to lose your ass on depreciation buying vehicles the way you do or just take a back seat and wait for incentives to roll out for a car you really want instead of being the first in line every time they announce a new vehicle.

Just my 2 cents, don't mean any offense by it.

Personally, I don't' get it but I guess we're all motivated by different things. I understand that this will be labeled the top dog because by virtue of it being an optional package, it'll be cost more than the regular zl1. But if you were happy with your order 2 days ago, why so sad now? Because a professional driver knocked 3 seconds off a lap at GM's testing facility? Is it because it's that much more beautiful than a zl1 lacking the 1le package? That one's debatable.

Here's the kicker though...if you want it, just wait to buy it. Everyone was talking about how the A10 was gonna run circles around the m6, but I'm not seeing too many people complaining that Chevy isn't making the A10 an option on this. All I'm hearing is 'It sucks that I don't even have my car yet, and I've already been knocked off the zl1 pedestal'. Folks, purchase and enjoy the hell outta whatever car you want and don't let that car define you. But what do I know. I'm just the owner of a lowly m6 standard zl1....clearly I'm at the bottom of the zl1 hierarchy.

[GTgamo]

I see no issues with the announcement. the ZL1 is the 50th anniversary edition, the 2018 is not. I have my A10 ZL1 on order in Garnet Red and I cannot wait until it gets here, I might opt for some of the extra aero stuff latter on, but I'm sure there will be more to come from the big 3, especially with the announcement of the new Demon. My objective is to have my 2017 as a daily driver, running consistently in the high 9's with nothing more than a few bolt-ons and maybe DR's.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

1LE is and always be more of a purists package. So, no automatic for 1LE.

Perhaps you missed it. The ORIGINAL 1LE, which came out in the 3rd Gen Camaro, had both auto and stick shift transmissions available.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by Chad0311

I mean, it sounds like you're always going to want the biggest and best as soon as it comes out. So I'm not sure what the point of even complaining about incentives and taking massive depreciation hits is.. They always offer incentives on these cars. Even the Corvette Z06 gets them. And here you are again being first in line to get a ZL1 after taking a 15k hit on an SS.

I get it dude, really I do. But there comes a point in time where you either are going to have to accept that you're going to lose your ass on depreciation buying vehicles the way you do or just take a back seat and wait for incentives to roll out for a car you really want instead of being the first in line every time they announce a new vehicle.

Just my 2 cents, don't mean any offense by it.

I hear what you're saying, but the massive depreciation of the Camaro isn't normal. GM has a lot of control over the depreciation and their actions aren't doing any favors to owners.

GM does a much better job with their trucks. Just to give you an example. In 2014 I ordered a new GMC Sierra 1500 4WD SLT with a 6.2 and the max trailering package (top of the line Sierra 1500 aside from the Denali package which was only like $1,500 more, but the max trailering I wanted isn't offered with the Denali package).

I paid right at $50K for this truck. 3 years and 27,000 miles later it books for almost $38K. My Camaro depreciated more in 8 months with 3K miles than this truck has to date.

I get that a sports car depreciates more than a truck, but in the Camaro's case incremental model year improvements (instead of consolidating changes into major updates), massive incentives, refusal to offer infotainment software updates, etc.. completely kills any resell value.

I don't mind paying a premium to keep new vehicles, but I feel like GM is severely devaluing these cars with unnecessary actions.

(I still like their products. Their market tactics are just poor IMO.)

[mlee]

We could be saying "Oh Shit" Ford just came out with a track monster...

...instead it's one of our own.

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by GoneBoy

I'm just the owner of a lowly m6 standard zl1....clearly I'm at the bottom of the zl1 hierarchy.

That makes two of us.

And that's the issue the OP and myself have with this announcement -- GM essentially devalued our cars earlier than expected. I, at least, got 3 months of ownership. The OP hasn't even received his car.

We lost value so GM could pound their chest at Daytona and tell everyone they can make a big, bad ass Camaro track car. Which, by the way, has no official pricing and won't be available for at least another 6 months maybe longer. Like the OP said, Chevy's marketing tactics suck.

[MoreSpeed]

Originally Posted by Spoolin

Just wanted to mention something that I didn't see addressed when it came to the difference between the ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE when used as a daily driver. The new ZL1 1LE will have solid mounted shocks from what I understand, no more rubber bushings. That, combined with the DSSV will make this a very uncomfortable car to daily drive.
I agree with OP about the timing of the reveal but I don't think you would have gotten the ZL1 1LE anyways because you did mention you don't track your car much. This wouldn't be something you'd be happy with, this car is going to be very stiff and uncomfortable on the street.

JMHO

You are so right! My wife doesn't even like getting into my track ready car. Too stiff. Too noisy... but that is why we have the SUV. For some of us, it is absolutely worth the occasional loose filling and we would have it no other way. It makes going to CVS, something special. And tires and suspension are more important to speed and low times, than HP on many tracks.

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by Chad0311

I mean, it sounds like you're always going to want the biggest and best as soon as it comes out. So I'm not sure what the point of even complaining about incentives and taking massive depreciation hits is.. They always offer incentives on these cars. Even the Corvette Z06 gets them. And here you are again being first in line to get a ZL1 after taking a 15k hit on an SS.

I get it dude, really I do. But there comes a point in time where you either are going to have to accept that you're going to lose your ass on depreciation buying vehicles the way you do or just take a back seat and wait for incentives to roll out for a car you really want instead of being the first in line every time they announce a new vehicle.

Just my 2 cents, don't mean any offense by it.

Yep, it's not like we didn't already know that a ZL1 was just around the corner when the Gen6 was revealed, it was just a matter of time. The good news is that this option package isn't really going to effect the ZL1 market. It's a really niche car, with the spoiler and dive plates and only available with a manual transmission, not a whole lot of folks are gonna check the 1LE box on the order form.

The moral to this story is that impatience can be expensive.

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by GTgamo

I see no issues with the announcement. the ZL1 is the 50th anniversary edition, the 2018 is not. I have my A10 ZL1 on order in Garnet Red and I cannot wait until it gets here, I might opt for some of the extra aero stuff latter on, but I'm sure there will be more to come from the big 3, especially with the announcement of the new Demon. My objective is to have my 2017 as a daily driver, running consistently in the high 9's with nothing more than a few bolt-ons and maybe DR's.

I bet you'd feel differently about yesterday's announcement if the ZL1 1LE was also being offered with an A10.

[2cnd chance]

How is this any different than a Z06 and a Z06/7 or a GS and a GS/Z07? It's a track option for the ZL1. FYI, it will be somewhat ruff as a DD.

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

How is this any different than a Z06 and a Z06/7 or a GS and a GS/Z07? It's a track option for the ZL1. FYI, it will be somewhat ruff as a DD.

The Z07 package was announced at the time each Corvette model was officially announced. Not in the middle of the model year. Plus it's available for both transmissions. Corvette Z06 and GS buyers were aware from the beginning of the availability of the Z07 package unlike us ZL1 buyers.

Like I said before, I wouldn't be upset if Chevy would have announced the ZL1 1LE closer to the '18 MY production cycle. Doing it now without pricing information or an availability date was, in my opinion, a disservice to existing ZL1 owners and those waiting on delivery of their car.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by hawk02

I bet you'd feel differently about yesterday's announcement if the ZL1 1LE was also being offered with an A10.

I guarantee you I would. I still had to think about this one, but I'm happy that I actually had a choice and will definitely stick with the A10. Just a piece of mind I have that some of the M6 guys do not.

[KaBoom1701]

Guys....

This new ZL1 + 1LE is a hard core track only car. It's not meant for the for the average ZL1 buyer. If you track your car more than 6 times a year then get this new version. Otherwise stick to the regular ZL1 and you'll be much happier with the ride quality.

Chill out. I bet 99% of the people bitching in this tread will never even take their regular ZL1's to the track....