[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Maybe the name ZL1 1LE is a ruse to throw you off or maybe it's the answer to the Dodge Demon. Who knows? Maybe it's just an after thought which came along in sequence when they found they could further improve the line. Nothing wrong with ANY version of the new ZL1. The ego is powerful poison.

Demon is a 1/4 rockstar.
The Chevy is a road course star. So it's not an answer to Demon.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by IOMike

Perhaps you should get what you want and not be so hell bent on having "the best" simply because it's the best.

This whole thread

I appreciate what you're saying. I have to admit there is some truth to it in my case, but what I "want" is the "best". Doesn't every ZL1 buyer have at least some small amount of desire to own the best Camaro available?

That's only one part of my frustration. I feel like GM was a very inconsiderate of current customers here. The depreciation before delivery and the timing of the announcement really bugs me.

[NB2017ZL1]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Maybe the name ZL1 1LE is a ruse to throw you off or maybe it's the answer to the Dodge Demon. Who knows? Maybe it's just an after thought which came along in sequence when they found they could further improve the line. Nothing wrong with ANY version of the new ZL1. The ego is powerful poison.

Would have nothing to do with Dodge Demon. Lol. Demon is a drag car straight line in the 9's for 1/4 mile. ZL1 1LE is a track car. Two diff purposes entirely ...

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by travislambert

I appreciate what you're saying. I have to admit there is some truth to it in my case, but what I "want" is the "best". Doesn't every ZL1 buyer have at least some small amount of desire to own the best Camaro available?

That's only one part of my frustration. I feel like GM was a very inconsiderate of current customers here. The depreciation before delivery and the timing of the announcement really bugs me.

I completely agree. It would have been less of a screw job to existing '17 owners and those with orders still in production if the announcement would have been made closer to the end of the model year.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by NB2017ZL1

Would have nothing to do with Dodge Demon. Lol. Demon is a drag car straight line in the 9's for 1/4 mile. ZL1 1LE is a track car. Two diff purposes entirely ...

When I see the word "Demon" it looks very close to "Lemon"... just saying.

[Sven59]

What happens when they release the next version. Remember the camo one with no spoiler.

[Realist]

You bought your SS at the beginning of its cycle and buying the ZL1 as special order after a recent release. Cancel your order and wait for the sweet ZL1 deals in Sept/Oct on dealer lots. Or save more $ as the ZL1 1LE is going to cost more when it comes out. If the tires are anything like the trofeos on 5gen Z/28, they will be great on the track, wear quickly and be quite expensive so plan accordingly.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by travislambert

Is anyone else frustrated with the ZL1 1LE announcement?

When I ordered my ZL1, I knew of the possibility of track focused addition to the lineup, but I didn't expect the new car to compete with the ZL1 directly. I was expecting a stripped down version that I wouldn't have been interested in anyway.

The new ZL1 1LE has all of the bells and whistles, heated/cooled seats, dual climate control, etc.. as well as much needed wider tires, better looking wheels, red brake calipers, and most importantly better performance.

This car is going to compete for the same customers as the regular ZL1, ultimately devaluing all of the ZL1s that their most loyal customers already ordered. This frustrates me especially since I just took a $16,000 value drop on the '16 SS I bought last June.

I don't think it competes at all.

The existence of the 1LE package basically gives folks two choices: a track-focused ZL1, or a Grand Touring ZL1.

If you don't frequent the racetrack, the 1LE package shouldn't be a consideration.

If you DO...then it should be an easy decision.

[SSport16]

Regular ZL1 is nicer looking in my opinion, not digging this package.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by travislambert

So I'm guessing most of the people commenting that they don't have a problem with all of this have no real skin in the game.

If you just took a major depreciation hit on a car you haven't driven yet you might feel differently.

The 5th Gen Z/28 was different than the ZL1. It competes for different customers. There will be much more overlap in the customer base between the 6th Gen ZL1 and ZL1 1LE.

This is actually a REALLY good thread you started and something all of us with skin in the game tried to process very quickly after the announcement. Especially those sitting with TPWs or like my case built and shipping any day.

I guess I could still back out and wait some more, or what I plan to do is let others wait this time and after they've been out a bit if I still want one and haven't done upgrades already to mine play the market for a good deal.

All that being said if I already had a manual like every 2017 ZL1 on the streets now I'd probably be a bit upset, but then they did come out in Oct so it's been over 6 months since these cars were ordered prior to this announcement. I do think a summer announce (Like at CamaroFest LOL) would have been better timing with Fall production, but Daytona is a really big spot for GM and the publicity is off the hook so hard to blame them there.

Anyway good thread and great discussion.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by mlee

This is actually a REALLY good thread you started and something all of us with skin in the game tried to process very quickly after the announcement. Especially those sitting with TPWs or like my case built and shipping any day.

I guess I could still back out and wait some more, or what I plan to do is let others wait this time and after they've been out a bit if I still want one and haven't done upgrades already to mine play the market for a good deal.

All that being said if I already had a manual like every 2017 ZL1 on the streets now I'd probably be a bit upset, but then they did come out in Oct so it's been over 6 months since these cars were ordered prior to this announcement. I do think a summer announce (Like at CamaroFest LOL) would have been better timing with Fall production, but Daytona is a really big spot for GM and the publicity is off the hook so hard to blame them there.

Anyway good thread and great discussion.

+1, agreed.

[travislambert]

I really like the red brake calipers, nicer wheels (IMO), wider tires, black taillights, etc.. The spoiler and other aero changes aren't as appealing, but I don't dislike them either.

My order is at 3300 with a TPW of 3/06. If I could switch my order for a ZL1 1LE for < 10K difference and still have the car by mid summer, I'd go for it.

I guess I am the counterexample to ZL1 and ZL1 1LE don't compete for the same market. I never had a desire to own a Z/28, because I won't be frequenting the track. The ZL1 1LE on the other hand has enough daily-driver friendly options to appeal to me. I'm assuming there will at least be some other non-track enthusiasts in the same boat.

[DenverTaco07]

What is the reasoning behind the opinion the regular ZL1 will take a depreciation hit? This is a track package, both vehicles will have their market, they fulfill two different purposes.

But heck, I hope you are right cuz I want regular ZL1...calling dealer right now to offer 10K off ZL1.

Darn...He told me to go F myself...guess they didn't take a hit.

[Sven59]

I heard a rumor they will be revealing the 1/4 mile version of the ZL1 shortly.