Motor Trend Ignition Episode about the ZL1 - Page 5

snackbar64 · 12-14-2016, 07:35 PM

So it's as fast as a Hellcat??? Last I checked my deposit was still in on the A10. I love the 5th gen ZL1 and this one is even more refined and considerably faster for around 60k. I can't ask for much more personally. There will be faster times posted. I'm not giving up on the ZL1 just like that.

96MrBass · 12-14-2016, 07:47 PM

There's no doubt in my mind better time's are yet to come. I won't be surprised when someone lays down a 10.9 at all. Can't wait to see some dig races.

mcsoul · 12-14-2016, 08:10 PM

It looked to me like the driver was a little overwhelmed with the options and 11 or 12 try's was not enough for him to decode the ZL1 launch riddle. The initial launch never seemed that hard to me.

DrkPhx · 12-14-2016, 08:16 PM

The real question is did GM get their 1/4 mile results at a real 1/4 mi drag strip or just an use an instrumented test like MT and other rags do? It's important to know because the mph at a drag strip is averaged over the last 66 feet of the strip which almost always results in a lower mph compared to a instrumented test which usually gives the exact mph recorded when a 1/4 mi is reached. Also, what was the weather for GM's tests? That plays a big part of power output in a SC vehicle.

Just for kicks, I ran the numbers through a few different 1/4 mi ET calculators based on the race weight (vehicle, driver and gas) and rwhp and they came up with 11.4, so I believe GM's claim. Someone just needs to run one at a actual drag strip.

Memphis · 12-14-2016, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 96MrBass

I won't be surprised when someone lays down a 10.9 at all.

There will definitely be some A10 cars in the 10s stock

newmoon · 12-15-2016, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Memphis

There will definitely be some A10 cars in the 10s stock

Do you think this will still happen on stock rubber? I don't. If motortrend was purposely trying to run GM's number and the best they could do was 11:80s thats a long way off from 10s.

jdsgn · 12-15-2016, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Do you think this will still happen on stock rubber? I don't. If motortrend was purposely trying to run GM's number and the best they could do was 11:80s thats a long way off from 10s.

At a prepped track in good DA conditions its possible. Motor trend got an 11.3@126 in the C7Z and quite a few have hit 10s@129+ on stock rubber. I'm sure the 11.3 by motor trend was corrected as well. On an unprepped surface on stock rubber the ZL1 was probably pulling no better than a 1.95-2.05 60 ft. At a real track with some bite and a 1.7 60 ft thats an easy way to knock .5-.6 off a 1/4 mile time and flirt with 10s.

URBAN LEGEND · 12-15-2016, 08:52 AM

Now we are talking! I'm seeing 10.9-11.4 expectations.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 12-15-2016, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Thor142

Wait, stop the presses (thats print media jargon for URBAN LEGEND

) I thought this new ZL1 could not heat soak?

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Originally Posted by Thor142

Of course it heat soaks. It's a supercharger. I bet it heat soaks on short road course without any long straights too. I'm gonna stick with the 1LE or perhaps a z/28 if they ever release one.

I wouldn't get too excited, just yet........It's not as though it goes critical and needs to be shut down. Don't have nearly enough info.

Of course IATs will increase...and if they were searching for a hero run, it stands to reason to give up once it gets hot enough... That said, 10-11 runs (or whatever it was) isn't bad at all for back to back drags before they *thought* they felt something...

On a road course, of any configuration, the constant high-speed airflow, and coasting/non-throttle periods make for a much different environment than a drag strip.

The car's gonna do fine.

Back on topic....I can't wait to see what these guys have to say about the car!

newmoon · 12-15-2016, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jdsgn

At a prepped track in good DA conditions its possible. Motor trend got an 11.3@126 in the C7Z and quite a few have hit 10s@129+ on stock rubber. I'm sure the 11.3 by motor trend was corrected as well. On an unprepped surface on stock rubber the ZL1 was probably pulling no better than a 1.95-2.05 60 ft. At a real track with some bite and a 1.7 60 ft thats an easy way to knock .5-.6 off a 1/4 mile time and flirt with 10s.

Sorry it isn't going to happen. I can see the ZL1 picking up maybe 4-5 tenths at best with better launch (but we don't know how MT's 60' were, they could have been better than 1.95, the ZL1 was supposed to have a much better LC), and ideal conditions but that puts you in the 11:30s-11:40s still a long way off from 10s.

As far as private owners running the number well you never know whether the car had been modded, tuned, weight reduction, etc, etc. With a few more Mag test we will have a better idea.

17CamaroZL1 · 12-15-2016, 10:15 AM

You also have to take into consideration that they were running on an un-prepped track and not doing any burnouts to warm the tires. It appeared to be hooking pretty well, but there were a few times you could hear the traction control cutting power as they tried different settings, so it had to be spinning.

Sven59 · 12-15-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

You also have to take into consideration that they were running on an un-prepped track and not doing any burnouts to warm the tires. It appeared to be hooking pretty well, but there were a few times you could hear the traction control cutting power as they tried different settings, so it had to be spinning.

If they are on the stock rubber and these tires are similar to the 5th Gen they need to be heated. One of the biggest complaints about the GYs were that they sucked until they are well heated.

newmoon · 12-15-2016, 10:44 AM

7:90s in the 1/8th?
http://www.nhra.com/story/2016/12/14...zl1-in-pomona/

mkorgan · 12-15-2016, 11:25 AM

i have owned a Gen5 ZL1, sill own a Gen5 Z/28 and now I have the Gen6 ZL1. No comparison in the cars, the Gen6 is faster, more capable, more complete of a sports car than any of its predecessor. This is much to do about nothing. Honestly guys. I can tell you that once you get behind the wheel of this car you are not going to car about these times. They are on stock tires, non prepped surfaces with no burnout. How many of you would go to the track an compete in those conditions? Road racing stories are not permitted in this forum so I wont go into detail but I can tell you that after my 1500 miles were completed, I have had ZERO issues with anybody pulling on me in my new car and that includes the kitty and the donkey. Relax and wait until you get some seat time in this car is all I can say.

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12-15-2016, 08:52 AM	#64
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17CamaroZL1 Life's Short, Live Fast! Drives: 2017 Hyper Blue A10 ZL1 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: London, KY Posts: 2,016	You also have to take into consideration that they were running on an un-prepped track and not doing any burnouts to warm the tires. It appeared to be hooking pretty well, but there were a few times you could hear the traction control cutting power as they tried different settings, so it had to be spinning. __________________ Life's Short, Live Fast! Bone Stock https://youtu.be/rTUv2p4T7OA 10.94 at 128 mph, 11.13 at 127mph 870 DA, https://youtu.be/e_X_LcpFp50 11.19 at 127mph 1100 DA Full exhaust, lower pulley, E35 -10.36 at 133 mph 690 DA straight from the street with a slight spin at launch. TZQPHG '17 ZL1 HBM\|A10\|Nav\|PDR\|CFW Hood\|ZL1 Mats 12/26/2016 Ordered! 2/8/2017 Built!! 3/2/2017 Brought Home!!!

12-15-2016, 10:44 AM	#69
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12-14-2016, 07:35 PM	#57
snackbar64 Drives: SW 2017 ZL1, M6, Carbon, Nav, MR, Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Prosper, TX Posts: 801	So it's as fast as a Hellcat??? Last I checked my deposit was still in on the A10. I love the 5th gen ZL1 and this one is even more refined and considerably faster for around 60k. I can't ask for much more personally. There will be faster times posted. I'm not giving up on the ZL1 just like that.

12-14-2016, 08:10 PM	#59
mcsoul Drives: Want a gen 6 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: 75089 Posts: 1,032	It looked to me like the driver was a little overwhelmed with the options and 11 or 12 try's was not enough for him to decode the ZL1 launch riddle. The initial launch never seemed that hard to me.

12-14-2016, 08:16 PM	#60
DrkPhx Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 / 2006 TB SS Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: MN Posts: 2,250	The real question is did GM get their 1/4 mile results at a real 1/4 mi drag strip or just an use an instrumented test like MT and other rags do? It's important to know because the mph at a drag strip is averaged over the last 66 feet of the strip which almost always results in a lower mph compared to a instrumented test which usually gives the exact mph recorded when a 1/4 mi is reached. Also, what was the weather for GM's tests? That plays a big part of power output in a SC vehicle. Just for kicks, I ran the numbers through a few different 1/4 mi ET calculators based on the race weight (vehicle, driver and gas) and rwhp and they came up with 11.4, so I believe GM's claim. Someone just needs to run one at a actual drag strip.

12-15-2016, 11:25 AM	#70
mkorgan Drives: 1970-1/2 Z-28, 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Sanford, Fl Posts: 973	i have owned a Gen5 ZL1, sill own a Gen5 Z/28 and now I have the Gen6 ZL1. No comparison in the cars, the Gen6 is faster, more capable, more complete of a sports car than any of its predecessor. This is much to do about nothing. Honestly guys. I can tell you that once you get behind the wheel of this car you are not going to car about these times. They are on stock tires, non prepped surfaces with no burnout. How many of you would go to the track an compete in those conditions? Road racing stories are not permitted in this forum so I wont go into detail but I can tell you that after my 1500 miles were completed, I have had ZERO issues with anybody pulling on me in my new car and that includes the kitty and the donkey. Relax and wait until you get some seat time in this car is all I can say.

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