[clanky]

Originally Posted by merlin803

Funny you say that, my first real exposure to seeing a 6th Gen driven that way was watching that young guy on YouTube reviewing the 6th Gen and the sheer joy on his face when he got on it sold me, I knew I had to have it, even if I didn't think I could afford it for a while, oh yes, I knew it would be mine. LOL

This is that video -

Yes all the praise I see is on Youtube. GM has terrible _terrible_ people in charge of their ads. I'm just waiting for the emoji commercial about the camaro. :/

[clanky]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

To the non owner posters,

I'll make it easy. Chevrolet has been in business many years without your help and input, you are not the genius you think you are. It's so funny that most of the ones that post on this subject don't OWN a gen6, but feel they can tell those of us actual owners that our cars are not selling well. I have a great idea for this forum. There should be a sub forum for non gen6 owners to voice their opinions to other non owners, the rest of us can actually come here and discuss our cars/ideas with others that actually own the cars. I really hope they can make it possible

Whoa calm down there buddy, this isn't BMW/Mercedes/etc forums. We are all here trying to help. Just because some of us don't own one yet doesn't mean we don't know how business or advertising works. Besides some of us are waiting for the Z's or the 1LE's reason we don't have one yet. Being a business owner myself; advertising is always an important anyone should know that. It's obvious that they are not advertising the camaro the way they should. Yes it is fact that it is not selling well either. Most of the people I have talked to and shown the 6th gen they didn't even notice it was different than the 5th gen. I agree to the others here they need to show more of the camaro doing performance work on a track or like another said having the top down cruising the roads. Dodge has great commercials like their predator commercial and even the ones with the two brothers. Better commercials showing off the car will only help the sales.

Just my 2cents. Let's all play nice and not look down on others.

[SS376]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

To the non owner posters,

I'll make it easy. Chevrolet has been in business many years without your help and input, you are not the genius you think you are. It's so funny that most of the ones that post on this subject don't OWN a gen6, but feel they can tell those of us actual owners that our cars are not selling well. I have a great idea for this forum. There should be a sub forum for non gen6 owners to voice their opinions to other non owners, the rest of us can actually come here and discuss our cars/ideas with others that actually own the cars. I really hope they can make it possible

Sorry if I offend you, but this is nonsense: "It's so funny that most of the ones that post on this subject don't OWN a gen6, but feel they can tell those of us actual owners that our cars are not selling well. "
Why would someone need to own a particular car to know how well it sells? Sales totals are available to anyone and owning the model in question is not needed in order to interpret the data!

And as far as your statement about Chevrolet being in business for years without our input, well, actually the input of potential customers is incredibly important to them, and to any business. After all, it is us that buys their products, and it our wants and needs that they consider whenever putting a new product on the market.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by SS376

Sorry if I offend you, but this is nonsense: "It's so funny that most of the ones that post on this subject don't OWN a gen6, but feel they can tell those of us actual owners that our cars are not selling well. "
Why would someone need to own a particular car to know how well it sells? Sales totals are available to anyone and owning the model in question is not needed in order to interpret the data!

And as far as your statement about Chevrolet being in business for years without our input, well, actually the input of potential customers is incredibly important to them, and to any business. After all, it is us that buys their products, and it our wants and needs that they consider whenever putting a new product on the market.

The big incentives are not on the 16 yet, sakes will increase when the incentives are available. Until that happens, Chevrolet will make more profit on each gen6 sold. You may not agree with their strategy, but you also don't know the terms/goals of their strategy. No car is perfect for everyone, but this one does it for me.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by clanky

Whoa calm down there buddy, this isn't BMW/Mercedes/etc forums. We are all here trying to help. Just because some of us don't own one yet doesn't mean we don't know how business or advertising works. Besides some of us are waiting for the Z's or the 1LE's reason we don't have one yet. Being a business owner myself; advertising is always an important anyone should know that. It's obvious that they are not advertising the camaro the way they should. Yes it is fact that it is not selling well either. Most of the people I have talked to and shown the 6th gen they didn't even notice it was different than the 5th gen. I agree to the others here they need to show more of the camaro doing performance work on a track or like another said having the top down cruising the roads. Dodge has great commercials like their predator commercial and even the ones with the two brothers. Better commercials showing off the car will only help the sales.

Just my 2cents. Let's all play nice and not look down on others.

I'm one of those waiting for the ZL1, but will keep my SS as well. The gen6 is all I could ever want and then some

[SS376]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

The big incentives are not on the 16 yet, sakes will increase when the incentives are available. Until that happens, Chevrolet will make more profit on each gen6 sold. You may not agree with their strategy, but you also don't know the terms/goals of their strategy. No car is perfect for everyone, but this one does it for me.

1) Your original post was still nonsense.
2) You don't know their strategy either, but I am sure it didn't include sales totals that fell far below their projections.
3) Glad you like your car.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by SS376

1) Your original post was still nonsense.
2) You don't know their strategy either, but I am sure it didn't include sales totals that fell far below their projections.
3) Glad you like your car.

1) Not to me and several others that are tired of negative comments without merit

2) neither do you, so you're opinion is no better.

3) Thanks, you should buy one when they come out with a commercial that you like.

[mr02Z/28]

For me, I was really looking to buy a 2016 2.0L Camaro but was honestly wishing that GM/Chevy would have upped the performance features a bit more by giving the Non-SS Automatic owners a LSD with possibly another gear offering, similar to the Crapstang crowd (Ford offers a LSD in the Automatic 3.31 & 3.55 optional) but that isn't happening and I know folks are gonna say then buy a Manual but I want an Auto. So as of now I'm keeping my 2013 2LT ....

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by mr02Z/28

For me, I was really looking to buy a 2016 2.0L Camaro but was honestly wishing that GM/Chevy would have upped the performance features a bit more by giving the Non-SS Automatic owners a LSD with possibly another gear offering, similar to the Crapstang crowd (Ford offers a LSD in the Automatic 3.31 & 3.55 optional) but that isn't happening and I know folks are gonna say then buy a Manual but I want an Auto. So as of now I'm keeping my 2013 2LT ....

This was the first 2.0 model. You may see more of what you want as they improve on it.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

This was the first 2.0 model. You may see more of what you want as they improve on it.

The last gen V6 autos didn't get one either. Doubt it's going to change. But on the other hand Ford doesn't think the PP should be allowed on GTs with an auto but does on the EB. Equal amounts of stupidity going on. No PP on the GT auto was the reason I crossed it off my list early when I decided to get a V8.

[merlin803]

"2) You don't know their strategy either, but I am sure it didn't include sales totals that fell far below their projections."

Actually, GM did state, more than once, that they moved to a strategy to make more $ per sale and reduce the low profit fleet sales.

Essentially saying that they were raising prices and selling less cars (as fleet sales) compared to previous years.

Who knows what their projections are but those moves from a business perspective doesn't seem to be the kind of moves to make if you were expecting a large increase of sold units.

Like I said, before some people get their panties in a bunch saying that I am stating that "they want to sell less cars", I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PROJECTIONS ARE AND IF THEY ARE DISAPPOINTED, they may well be but have shown no indication of it yet, so why sweat it if they aren't?

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The last gen V6 autos didn't get one either. Doubt it's going to change. But on the other hand Ford doesn't think the PP should be allowed on GTs with an auto but does on the EB. Equal amounts of stupidity going on. No PP on the GT auto was the reason I crossed it off my list early when I decided to get a V8.

When I got my GT I was upset you couldn't get the auto with the PP, and I liked all the other parts of the package, so I bought it. The manual transmission was really awful, especially that "thunk" when going into first gear. I sold it within a year

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Raven87

And THAT kind of conservative thinking is one of the main reasons why the Camaro is lagging in sales. No bold, exciting advertising. You HAVE to show the car in motion.

Magazine pundits are idiots and most readers find their reviews silly, often referencing a 'Gotta Have It' factor, etc. Buyers want to see and hear the car to get excited. I can tell you all day long how great my car is but until YOU get up close and next to it, hear the exhaust, see the lines, you will probably not be nearly as excited - or likely to buy it.

If video wasn't powerful, YouTube would have failed years ago.

You only have to be bold and show the car in motion if you think it will actually sell more cars than if you don't. GM has had only a few launch commercials for the Corvette. And even in the down years at the end of the C6 that didn't change. Camaro is the same way.

Originally Posted by merlin803

True. They must not feel like they need a marketing blitz, at least up to this point.

Which is why I say I am not sweating the sales numbers, if they aren't panicking or making a big effort to advertise or give incentives/rebates to move more cars then why should I worry about it?

I agree. They have the incentive knob to turn at any time. And there is no hint they are going to. Looking at employee pricing, one of the first hints that they would, shows no incentives at all.

Originally Posted by Raven87

And how well is all that free advertising working for GM right now? Let's see... almost third in sales with the worst May in 6 years.

Wow. Kind of a low bar to shoot for, don't you think?

Not quite sure what you mean. Obviously it isn't selling in the numbers compared to the Mustang or even now Challenger. GM could, as suggested by me and many others, simply pile cash on the hood. They aren't. They could do a magazine blitz. They haven't. And, yes, they could spend a crap load of money and put the car in TV ads. As I proposed in my post, it probably isn't a great business proposition to create a TV commercial and run a bunch of TV adds. BTW I looked it up and according to Variety, a 30 second ad on The Waking Dead will run you a cool $400,000.

Keep in mind, guys, GM clearly and per their own comments designed the Camaro for Camaro enthusiasts. They didn't design it to win a whole lot of new customers. I get lambasted every time I suggest that what GM should have done was create a great coupe first and then a Camaro. They gave pretty much everything everyone else on this site wanted (except me) by designing a great Camaro first. This resulted in a compromised coupe that very few on here are even willing to admit because THEY DESINGED THE CAR FOR YOU!!!!!! It's a perfectly wonderful Camaro that does great things and performs beyond most hopes and dreams discussed on this very site a year or two ago. Remember all the people that wanted so desperately to say GM lied to them about the weight reduction? LOL, GM delivered on everything they said they would with this car. So going out and advertising to convince non-Camaro enthusiasts that they should get the best performance car in the segment (and not a value no matter what many on here believe) that has BAD A$$ styling, and Mega Awesome power and handling probably won't pay back. What they needed was for the segment customers to recognize the cars greatness and buy it. That hasn't happened. What you are asking for is GM to somehow win over SUV buyers (the largest segment now as even sedans are suffering) that what they really want is a Camaro. That won't happen and GM knows this.

I know how fast GM is capable of responding and I know what levers they can and do pull when a car or truck isn't selling. They have done nothing and there is good reason. They just aren't going to explain it to us.

I would suggest that GM is not at all happy with the current sales. But the simple fact that they have not responded in the least shows me they have confidence in the plan..........................or they aren't paying attention...............but I'll go with the confidence.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by merlin803

"2) You don't know their strategy either, but I am sure it didn't include sales totals that fell far below their projections."

Actually, GM did state, more than once, that they moved to a strategy to make more $ per sale and reduce the low profit fleet sales.

Essentially saying that they were raising prices and selling less cars (as fleet sales) compared to previous years.

Who knows what their projections are but those moves from a business perspective doesn't seem to be the kind of moves to make if you were expecting a large increase of sold units.

Like I said, before some people get their panties in a bunch saying that I am stating that "they want to sell less cars", I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PROJECTIONS ARE AND IF THEY ARE DISAPPOINTED, they may well be but have shown no indication of it yet, so why sweat it if they aren't?

I agree 100%