[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

i dont care for v4s or v6s dodge has always been about hemi v8s....and they deliver

The MDS hemi V8's operate as V4's some of the time ... actually, those are the only V4's at Chrysler Corp.

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

I'm 20/10 with my contacts. Guess I'm just seeing too far ahead.

Seriously, though, the obvious answer right now is Ford over Dodge. Things change fast, though. Just five years ago, Dodge was tops among the Big 3, at least from a business/profitability point of view, and Ford seemed to be in the most trouble. Anyone want to predict what 2015 will look like?

Ram lives, and expands into commercial trucks (dump trucks, semi's, etc). Dodge brand goes poof, possibly with Chrysler along with it. Replaced by Fiat North America. Jeep survives, because Jeep always survives. Willys Overland ran into trouble and was taken over by American Motors who ran into trouble and was taken over by Chrysler who ran into trouble and was taken over by Fiat.


Oh, and for the record, I voted for Dodge

[AlSuwaidi]

Ide go for ford cause io love the SVT raptor.. and the mustang is way more performance orientated than the challenger... and I love the ford gt and classic gt40

the viper is nice.. but ide get a z06/zr1 any day over it...

dodge just doesnt have something Ide ocnsider buying in any class/category..

only place it wins is in styling over the camaro and mustang IMO.. but performance plays a big role there for me.. so went with the camaro..

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by SuperSnake

Actually chrysler for a number of years, has been using mitsubishi engines and their cars.

SORRY IF YOUR A MOPAR FAN

Too bad you're wrong on several levels..

SORRY IF YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT CHECKING YOUR FACTS FIRST!

Btw, it's you're, not YOUR.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Too bad you're wrong on several levels..

SORRY IF YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT CHECKING YOUR FACTS FIRST!

Btw, it's you're, not YOUR.

dont bother with that guy, he is a troll

[SuperSnake]

I dont really care for the hemi v8s cause they still cant deliver and the challenger is well out of the price range of the gt and ss lol it should be fighting grand sports and gt500 and it cant even beat the bottom of the line up

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by SuperSnake

I dont really care for the hemi v8s cause they still cant deliver and the challenger is well out of the price range of the gt and ss lol it should be fighting grand sports and gt500 and it cant even beat the bottom of the line up

you know alot about cars.

[SuperSnake]

Dude its true they challengers styling was hell no disapointment but they quarter times were really depressing so why dont you check the srt8 take on the gt500

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by SuperSnake

I dont really care for the hemi v8s cause they still cant deliver and the challenger is well out of the price range of the gt and ss lol it should be fighting grand sports and gt500 and it cant even beat the bottom of the line up

Ok, so...

I paid 31,585 for mine..less than a base 1SS L99..and with just a K&N CAI and nothing else I turn in low 13's at the track with a DA of between 1800 and 2200 feet. My average uncorrected time being 13.3 and corrected down to 13 flat or just over 13.1...

Is that still not delivering? As far as I can tell thats right in line with the average automatic mustang and Camaro's...so..?

So are you going to pretend that all of that is me just making stuff up or admit that you were wrong and dont know what you're talking about in this case.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Ok, so...

I paid 31,585 for mine..less than a base 1SS L99..and with just a K&N CAI and nothing else I turn in low 13's at the track with a DA of between 1800 and 2200 feet. My average uncorrected time being 13.3 and corrected down to 13 flat or just over 13.1...

Is that still not delivering? As far as I can tell thats right in line with the average automatic mustang and Camaro's...so..?

So are you going to pretend that all of that is me just making stuff up or admit that you were wrong and dont know what you're talking about in this case.

im telling you it's not worth getting into a debate with someone who doesnt know jack.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

im telling you it's not worth getting into a debate with someone who doesnt know jack.

Yeah but I have the urge to try..

[DGthe3]

Please stop bickering ...

[SuperSnake]

ya ur challenger is not stock I am talking stock cars here and either way my gt500 is runnig 12.7's so you can argue... lol the 2011 mustang gt poops on any dodge any day of the week and mopar isnt even good anymore its all forign shit with fiat

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by SuperSnake

ya ur challenger is not stock I am talking stock cars here and either way my gt500 is runnig 12.7's so you can argue... lol the 2011 mustang gt poops on any dodge any day of the week and mopar isnt even good anymore its all forign shit with fiat

WOW


his car is stock
And no mopar isnt foreign(I assume you meant to say that)

poop on that, w.e that means

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Ok, so...

I paid 31,585 for mine..less than a base 1SS L99..and with just a K&N CAI and nothing else I turn in low 13's at the track with a DA of between 1800 and 2200 feet. My average uncorrected time being 13.3 and corrected down to 13 flat or just over 13.1...

Is that still not delivering? As far as I can tell thats right in line with the average automatic mustang and Camaro's...so..?

So are you going to pretend that all of that is me just making stuff up or admit that you were wrong and dont know what you're talking about in this case.

Sure, a base Challenger R/T and base 1SS Camaro are about the same price, but they are by no means similarly equipped or in the same league performance wise. You want the 6-speed tranny, that costs more. You want a limited slip rear end, that costs more. Any color besides black, silver, and while, that costs more. Driver info center, that costs more. Satellite radio, that costs more. 20 inch wheels, that costs more. Remote start, that costs more. Summer tires, not available. Better than a Caravan brakes, not available. Handling, not even close.

Once you check all the option boxes to equip a Challenger with everything the Camaro has standard, you are at least $5000 above the Camaro, and you still have lousy brakes, all season tires, inferior handling dynamics, and come up over 50 horsepower short with more weight. So how is the Challenger in line with a Camaro or Mustang performance or value-wise?