[olrocker]

Even when I was a kid in the 80s through the mid-1990s the arrange “win on Sunday sell on Monday” fit because the cars still kind of resembled the production “counterparts” even though by the 1980s they didn’t share a single part.

But I don’t know if anyone is looking for a Camry coupe. Toyota had the Solara but that ended production before they even entered NASCAR.

[genxer]

Originally Posted by cooldawg

I agree with most here that GM’s significant investment in corvette make a 7th gen ICE Camaro much less likely regardless of which direction they go on EV’s. Their goal is to steer ICE coupe buyers in that direction.

That said, i would prefer the Z/ Eray ‘widebody’ styling with the LT4 vs. the high revving 5.5… that would close the deal for me from a performance and reliability perspective.

Domestically, a Camaro can share cost better with other offerings. The Corvette is more on its own island than ever before. Next gen Vette could be a international market aligned brand, if they wanted. If GM hits lean times, it could then be very sellable to a BMW or a Honda or whoever. And open up CAFE room, unless CAFE can be deep 6'd or loop holed.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ariZona28

While you are a fellow auto enthusiast and a very knowledgeable forum contributor I do not know you personally. Most of the individuals I associate with are of a similar demographic as myself: Blue collar mechanics that grew up in the '80s wrenching on tired old mucle cars. Some of my friends can barely pay their mortgage much less travel for ANY type of entertainment so an F1 race is not even an option. Nothing wrong with F1, heck I'll even watch it if it's on the tube because it's talented drivers driving very fast! I just won't follow it. F1 is kinda like the auto racing version of soccer. Extraordinary athletes participating in a challenging game. The rest of the world goes crazy for it but here in the US while it is obviously becoming more popular it still lags behind the major traditional sports. Times are-a-changing but saying NASCAR is "finished" is a bit premature.

Totally agree, NASCAR is a long way from finished. It just becomes harder when none of the cars racing match what is sold, which was the historical basis. As mentioned a Toyota Camry racing in NASCAR as a coupe? A GM entry now just called the ZL1? Only Ford kind of races what they sell now.

You do bring up a great point on the demographic of the two racing series. One is certainly more down to earth while the other is pretty much "up market". Based on ticket prices I saw for the Miami Grand Prix, I won't be going any time soon. If I recall correctly it was $300 for practice sessions.
And as much as I've grown to appreciate Hamilton in F1, no one comes close to Dale Earnhardt for me. It's just not close. My wife was involved in Corvette and it's racing team years ago. When Dale was racing Corvettes for a bit, the story is he showed up at a dinner and just sat down at a table with a bunch of folks and said, "I hear some race car driver is supposed to show up here". That's a persona I don't think you would ever see in F1.

[Gen6cyl]

This thread is incredible. Anyway, I like Indy car racing.

[90503]

Nascar's future will come full circle...

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/v...tage/104141038

[arpad_m]

So the Mustang GTD went 6:57, a very nice achievement.

[Gen6cyl]

Originally Posted by 90503

Nascar's future will come full circle...

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/v...tage/104141038

I don't think that will work with ev's

[Gen6cyl]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

So the Mustang GTD went 6:57, a very nice achievement.

Especially for a mustang

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

Especially for a mustang

Ford posted the lap video last night. 187 mph in the southern back straight where the ZL1 1LE only managed 171 mph back in 2018, the difference apparently being sheer horsepower, since the GTD has an equally huge wing. Little to no tire squeal to speak of during this lap, whereas the 3Rs on the Camaro were begging for mercy almost throughout.

[Gen6cyl]

I just learned it is faster than the z06 Vette at the ring. It has to be totally track focused.

[cdb95z28]

In order to beat the ZLE at the 'Ring, Ford had to turn the S650 chassis into a racecar....cool car but it's a heavily modified chassis, 6-7 years after the ZLE set its time. While the GTD starts life on the Mustang production line, Multimatic takes over and makes it a racecar. Oh, and they did most of the engineering too. The ZLE engineering was GM depth, save the DSSVs. Meanwhile the ZLE never saw anything other than the regular Alpha production line and those chassis (suspension) bits of the ZLE are easily interchangeable into any Gen6 variant. IOW, it took Ford to build a racecar to beat the street car ZLE.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

In order to beat the ZLE at the 'Ring, Ford had to turn the S650 chassis into a racecar....cool car but it's a heavily modified chassis, 6-7 years after the ZLE set its time. While the GTD starts life on the Mustang production line, Multimatic takes over and makes it a racecar. Oh, and they did most of the engineering too. The ZLE engineering was GM depth, save the DSSVs. Meanwhile the ZLE never saw anything other than the regular Alpha production line and those chassis (suspension) bits of the ZLE are easily interchangeable into any Gen6 variant. IOW, it took Ford to build a racecar to beat the street car ZLE.

Yup. All of this. BTW I think the ZLE DSSV is also done by Multimatic. Just a co-inky-dink.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

I just learned it is faster than the z06 Vette at the ring. It has to be totally track focused.

So is a 2016 Viper

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

In order to beat the ZLE at the 'Ring, Ford had to turn the S650 chassis into a racecar....cool car but it's a heavily modified chassis, 6-7 years after the ZLE set its time. While the GTD starts life on the Mustang production line, Multimatic takes over and makes it a racecar. Oh, and they did most of the engineering too. The ZLE engineering was GM depth, save the DSSVs. Meanwhile the ZLE never saw anything other than the regular Alpha production line and those chassis (suspension) bits of the ZLE are easily interchangeable into any Gen6 variant. IOW, it took Ford to build a racecar to beat the street car ZLE.

Uhm, it beat the ZLE by nearly *20 seconds*…on a DAMP track. That’s an ass kicking and there’s another 10-15 seconds left in the GTD track time. That’s no knock on the ZLE, for a “cheap” car it kicks ass. But sub 7 second Ring territory takes $$$, which is why it’s dominated by Mercedes Benz AMGs and Porsche 911 GT2 and GT3 variants.