[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Ford sold a 662 hp Mustang with a live rear axel , man trans only and 285 rear tires out back. It would have been fine if Chevy sold a 650 hp camaro with slightly smaller tires than an zl1 and no e-diff.

Not all ZL1s have an e-diff and if you have ever driven one of those GT500s you would know why you shouldnt.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Not all ZL1s have an e-diff and if you have ever driven one of those GT500s you would know why you shouldnt.

I have driven a few s197 gt500’s and really like them. While they don’t handle great I always thought when the tires were letting go it was easier to correct what’s going on than in a c6 corvette (corvette of that time period). As long as the driver doesn’t try to be a hero they are pretty manageable. I also always felt people shouldn’t expect their 600+ hp cars to hook up in first regardless of what chassis they are in on a street oem tire.

I like the op’s idea of an Lt4 in an SS body. Would just make it come with 6 piston front brakes, trans and convertible rear end from zl1, wheel and tire setup somewhere between the ss and zl1 and with less cooling and suspension goodies. I would NOT advertise it as a track capable camaro just like Chevy said the lt1 isn’t track capable. Leave the track goodies off to keep costs down and start it as a 1ss feature wise. It would probably be the most muscle car feeling 6th Gen camaro which honestly I do miss that feeling. If I didn’t track my car I’d be in something “worse” like what I just described.

[Junction65]

Take the LT "body" (different front end/dash cluster) with the ZL1 drivetrain (engine, trans, diff, and axles), add any "needed" suspension upgrades with proper brakes and 1LE wheels (silver painted). Slap the ZL1 hood on the front, blade spoiler on the rear and LT4 emblems on the fenders. Keep the same limited options as the current LT1 trim (my pref would be Recaros and Tech Pack). Keep the friggin' spooge cloth alcantara out of the interior.

Personally I would have paid a 2SS 1LE price for it.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I have driven a few s197 gt500’s and really like them. While they don’t handle great I always thought when the tires were letting go it was easier to correct what’s going on than in a c6 corvette (corvette of that time period). As long as the driver doesn’t try to be a hero they are pretty manageable. I also always felt people shouldn’t expect their 600+ hp cars to hook up in first regardless of what chassis they are in on a street oem tire.

I like the op’s idea of an Lt4 in an SS body. Would just make it come with 6 piston front brakes, trans and convertible rear end from zl1, wheel and tire setup somewhere between the ss and zl1 and with less cooling and suspension goodies. I would NOT advertise it as a track capable camaro just like Chevy said the lt1 isn’t track capable. Leave the track goodies off to keep costs down and start it as a 1ss feature wise. It would probably be the most muscle car feeling 6th Gen camaro which honestly I do miss that feeling. If I didn’t track my car I’d be in something “worse” like what I just described.

Unfortunately, there is no committed target audience for such a vehicle, even you wouldn't buy it if you're honest with us. Now, if full customization was allowed like in the good old days, I do see some sales potential, but GM probably still wouldn't deem it worth the extra investment.

[Abubaca]

Unfortunately, there is no committed target audience for such a vehicle, even you wouldn't buy it if you're honest with us. Now, if full customization was allowed like in the good old days, I do see some sales potential, but GM probably still wouldn't deem it worth the extra investment.

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....and just to make sure we're all on the same page. ....basically this entire conversation is to suggest that the 455 LT1 isn't "enough power", the SS cars are too refined and underpowered, and while the 600+ horses of the Z cars is enough power, the rest of the tech/suspension/brakes of the alpha is really too much, and more than we need? Imagine this conversation 10 years ago. I say this all in fun. Not picking on anyone. I just think it's funny how far we've come, yet the hotrodder in all of us (myself included) is never satisfied.

[tbair64]

Just make your own. If you have the LT1 trim level of car like I do. First thing I did was swap wheels and tires. Throw on a Magnuson 2650. it fits without a hood change and their you go.

[tenargo57]

Originally Posted by Abubaca

....and just to make sure we're all on the same page. ....basically this entire conversation is to suggest that the 455 LT1 isn't "enough power", the SS cars are too refined and underpowered, and while the 600+ horses of the Z cars is enough power, the rest of the tech/suspension/brakes of the alpha is really too much, and more than we need? Imagine this conversation 10 years ago. I say this all in fun. Not picking on anyone. I just think it's funny how far we've come, yet the hotrodder in all of us (myself included) is never satisfied.

You've gotta go back to the early/mid 2000's for that. 10 years ago the SS was only making around 30hp and torque less than it does now.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

You’re thinking of the LT6 or maybe even the LT5. The LT4 is literally in the zl1…

The point he is trying to make is if GM made the LT4 trim kinda like they did the LT1 trim.

LT1 trim: base model body but with the SS engine and front brakes.

Op’s LT4 trim: SS body (or base model body since he gave both options) but with the zl1 engine and maybe front brakes.

OP, I think it should be SS body, SS 1le front brakes, LT4, front springs from zl1 to account for extra weight of LT4 (shouldn’t affect cost), but still come with fixed shocks (not mag ride) standard but have the chance to add mag ride for extra. Should start as a 1ss but have the ability to add 2ss features.

Thanks, I was.

[Need4Camaro]

Personally I think it's pointless. Would be a downplay on the ZL1 and take away from the commodity of owning one. That plus it would be stupidly dangerous to drive and unpredictable at WOT without the right tires and suspension.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Ford sold a 662 hp Mustang with a live rear axel , man trans only and 285 rear tires out back. It would have been fine if Chevy sold a 650 hp camaro with slightly smaller tires than an zl1 and no e-diff.

This is precisely why Ford and Dodge have never been very serious at performance cars in the last 10 years, because they fail to put the suspension and rubber underneath that is required by the power. If Chevy sold their soul to make crap like this, it's unlikely we'd get the real performance vehicles like CT5 BWs, C8s, etc. The whole point has been "no compromise, we are going to make real performance vehicles".

If you lust for the big power with the 255 tires, get a mustang.

[AZIROC]

As a ZL1 owner.... this is why I'll 100% admit the "best buy" overall is a SS 1LE.

I test drove a 2ss and 2ss 1le and was sold on the 1le...I just made the huge mistake of test driving the zl1 and couldn't say no.

[tenargo57]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

This is precisely why Ford and Dodge have never been very serious at performance cars in the last 10 years, because they fail to put the suspension and rubber underneath that is required by the power. If Chevy sold their soul to make crap like this, it's unlikely we'd get the real performance vehicles like CT5 BWs, C8s, etc. The whole point has been "no compromise, we are going to make real performance vehicles".

If you lust for the big power with the 255 tires, get a mustang.

Or get an LT1....We're all here for the Camaro, but that's a pretty unfair claim. For as good as the Alpha platform is there are still plenty of Mustang trims that can match the equivalent Camaro's performance, if not exceed it in some aspects, like the GT350, Mach 1 and GT500. The Challenger and Charger aren't track cars, but the Viper is and it has wider tires than just about anything out there.

[WiggyB]

Basically your describing a boosted 2SS 1LE. Everything of a ZL1 minus a few one off upgrades.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Junction65

If this had been offered, it would currently be occupying space in my garage.

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