[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Hadn't noticed it until seeing your side-by side pictures . . . but is it just me, or the slightly different angles the pictures were taken at?

Or did the 6th gen take the 5th gen chopped-top look even further (like, a bit too far)? The 6th gen windshield and side glass sure look to be a little shorter, either actually or proportion-wise.




Norm

Lower, shorter wheelbase... The rear 3/4 of the 13 ZL1 vs 18 HW in the Camaro picture montage gives a good visual comparison form ~same~ perspective.

...Chevrolet has heard the siren call, too, and it bucked industry trend and cut down the sixth-generation Camaro‘s footprint. That got us thinking: What about the Camaro’s dimensional changes throughout every generation? So we broke out the rulers.

Sixth Generation: 2016 Chevrolet Camaro (2016–)

The 2016 Camaro, having moved onto General Motors’ excellent rear-drive Alpha platform, has shrunk ever so slightly. Compared to the fifth-generation model, Chevy sliced 2.1 inches out of the overall length, 1.6 inches from the wheelbase, 1.1 inches of height, and 0.8 inch of width. Small changes, to be sure, but standing next to the Camaro in person, the car feels far more compact and wieldy than the bulky fifth-gen model. Chevrolet claims to have cut more than 200 pounds of weight, opening up room for a turbocharged four-cylinder engine at the bottom of the range; a V-6 and a V-8 are again available.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...u-might-think/

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Lower, shorter wheelbase... The rear 3/4 of the 13 ZL1 vs 18 HW in the Camaro picture montage gives a good visual comparison form ~same~ perspective.


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I recall going into the studio to see the first clay/model of the Gen6 off of Alpha. It was just a 7/8ths scale version of the Gen5. It was hard to even tell a difference other than size. That was the starting point.

Recall Zeta and Zeta II were the foundation for some very big cars. The PPV or Statesman in Australia were HUGE sedans. They also had a Buick version in China and there was a Cadillac sedan program just prior to the XTS that was killed very quickly after it was approved. Even the SS/Commodore was not petite.

[hotlap]

The MT and R&T visuals give a good side by side comparison between the Alpha Camaro and S550 Mustang.
The R&T image shows their belt line about the same height. Camaro roof and seating position is lower.

We've seen review after review criticizing the Camaro for its visibility and the Mustang's high seating position. You sit in a Camaro. You sit "on top of a stack of phonebooks" in the Mustang

My experience is that the high beltline vs seating position makes an intimidating first impression. It throws your perception of the surroundings off.

Your senses adjust to it quickly but its a hard sell to a passive buyer.

Visibility, a major complaint about the last Camaro, remains a bit of an issue. You sit high up in the Ford, but in the Camaro you are still down low with high sills and visibility limited by a too-tall gauge pod. "It's better than in the previous-gen but still not as reassuring as the Mustang," Loh said. "But hey, it does make the SS more badass-feeling, which is what people want in a ponycar."
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...rd-mustang-gt/

[Plasar]

Whatever - neither the Mustang nor Challenger ever Transformed!

Transformers (2007) - Bumblebee Transforms Into New Chevrolet Camaro (Scene) Movie Clip HD

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[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Plasar

Whatever - neither the Mustang nor Challenger ever Transformed!

Transformers (2007) - Bumblebee Transforms Into New Chevrolet Camaro (Scene) Movie Clip HD

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I will likely never forget driving Fbodfather's yellow CTF on Daytona Beach in the April before launch. All the kids were yelling, "Bumblebee, Bumblebee" and pointing as we drove by. Loved it.

Scott had later added the Tranformers decals and badging to complete the car. Thor

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The MT and R&T visuals give a good side by side comparison between the Alpha Camaro and S550 Mustang.
The R&T image shows their belt line about the same height. Camaro roof and seating position is lower.

We've seen review after review criticizing the Camaro for its visibility and the Mustang's high seating position. You sit in a Camaro. You sit "on top of a stack of phonebooks" in the Mustang

My experience is that the high beltline vs seating position makes an intimidating first impression. It throws your perception of the surroundings off.

Your senses adjust to it quickly but its a hard sell to a passive buyer.


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motor Trend and R & T always have slower test times. That is really slow 0-60 for the Mustang. The Camaro is slower as well. Other test have 0-60 in 3.9 and 1/4 mile 11.9 for the 6th gen Camaro SS

[V8 Firebird]

Corvette is also a reason why Camaro sales down, most Chevy die hard buyers go C8 Corvette crazy.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

motor Trend and R & T always have slower test times. That is really slow 0-60 for the Mustang. The Camaro is slower as well. Other test have 0-60 in 3.9 and 1/4 mile 11.9 for the 6th gen Camaro SS

Who tested the SS with an 11.9 sec 1/4 mile? Do you have a link?

I haven't been following too close since Chevy abandoned the Camaro in 2020. I didn't see any A10s in the fast-list either. My experience is that the SS is a low 12s car. 12.1-12.3 is typical.

FYI - that R&T test report is from 2016. I posted it because it shows the Camaro and Mustang to scale on grid. You can see the physical differences easily.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Plasar

Whatever - neither the Mustang nor Challenger ever Transformed!

Transformers (2007) - Bumblebee Transforms Into New Chevrolet Camaro (Scene) Movie Clip HD

I don't have children. Never watched it.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Who tested the SS with an 11.9 sec 1/4 mile? Do you have a link?

I haven't been following too close since Chevy abandoned the Camaro in 2020. I didn't see any A10s in the fast-list either. My experience is that the SS is a low 12s car. 12.1-12.3 is typical.

FYI - that R&T test report is from 2016. I posted it because it shows the Camaro and Mustang to scale on grid. You can see the physical differences easily.

Saw a few articles the SS gets 3.9 to 4.0 0-60.


Non pro drivers also get 11.9 on the drag strip I've seen running stock except maybe the CAI.


Also, I've seen youtubers, non pro drivers get 4.2 seconds on the SS. I saw one LT1 get 4.0 but then again LT1 is lighter. This test they got just over 12, but they ran 3.9 according to their specs and the Mustang was slower. This is 2016 btw.


What's funny is a lot of the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for the 2018 and newer Mustang GT are actually SLOWER than the 2015-2017 Mustang a lot of times. Not far off numbers than the 2012 Mustang GT.


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mparison-test/


That Mustang they tested does the quarter mile slower than my 2012 is rated at.


This test they got 3.9 seconds, but did the quarter mile a bit slower.


I would suspect bone stock most of us would hit 4.2 on here. I don't go to the strip and practice. No way I'd hit 3.9 and don't expect to because I'm not a pro.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

Saw a few articles the SS gets 3.9 to 4.0 0-60.

Non pro drivers also get 11.9 on the drag strip I've seen running stock except maybe the CAI.

Also, I've seen youtubers, non pro drivers get 4.2 seconds on the SS. I saw one LT1 get 4.0 but then again LT1 is lighter. This test they got just over 12, but they ran 3.9 according to their specs and the Mustang was slower. This is 2016 btw.

What's funny is a lot of the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for the 2018 and newer Mustang GT are actually SLOWER than the 2015-2017 Mustang a lot of times. Not far off numbers than the 2012 Mustang GT.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...mparison-test/

That Mustang they tested does the quarter mile slower than my 2012 is rated at.

This test they got 3.9 seconds, but did the quarter mile a bit slower.

I would suspect bone stock most of us would hit 4.2 on here. I don't go to the strip and practice. No way I'd hit 3.9 and don't expect to because I'm not a pro.

So no traditional magazines ran 11.9 sec? The quickest is Car and Drive at 12.2 sec @ 118 mph. 0 to 60 mph in 3.9 sec.

The link below shows that the average gen6 SS is a 12.1 sec 1/4 mile car. I could easily run 12.2 to 12.3 as an inexperienced driver

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=49

[Modernmusclecar]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Who tested the SS with an 11.9 sec 1/4 mile? Do you have a link?

I haven't been following too close since Chevy abandoned the Camaro in 2020. I didn't see any A10s in the fast-list either. My experience is that the SS is a low 12s car. 12.1-12.3 is typical.

FYI - that R&T test report is from 2016. I posted it because it shows the Camaro and Mustang to scale on grid. You can see the physical differences easily.

Just hit the track with a buddy that been drag racing a long time on fri. Temps were good air was good. He has a 2021 Lt1 10 speed with drag radials. Best he ran was a 12.4 @ 116mph.He did cut consistent 1.8 sixties.He left off idle and never flashed the converter. Maybe gain a tenth or so but we both agreed 11s would be hard to get stock.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by Modernmusclecar

Just hit the track with a buddy that been drag racing a long time on fri. Temps were good air was good. He has a 2021 Lt1 10 speed with drag radials. Best he ran was a 12.4 @ 116mph.He did cut consistent 1.8 sixties.He left off idle and never flashed the converter. Maybe gain a tenth or so but we both agreed 11s would be hard to get stock.

That's slow if he's using drag radials and has the lighter LT1.


When we're talking two tenths of a second that's so close there is just so many factors in play.


I did see a perfomance package Mustang GT hit 3.9 on one test as well, but that's it. Even the Mach 1 I'm seeing does it over 4 seconds, and is slightly slower than our much cheaper Camaros ROFL!!!

[crysalis_01]

So, a lot of the conversation, not all but a lot, here seems to lean in on the lack of advertising being a huge contributing factor in Camaro sales faultering vs Mustang and Challenger numbers. Now, I don't really watch TVs so likely I'm just out of the loop but I don't really recall any memorable ads for Challenger or Mustang in the last decade, if not longer. Can someone post the most recent ones? I've heard the formerly FCA ad team was pretty good at what they did.