[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yet he gives out Dodge handjobs all day long. LOL! I don't know what's wrong with some of these folks.

And even at that he picks the worst Challenger to drool over.

Right!?!

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

It's odd that you label people as fanboys, yet have nothing to add to a Camaro forum but criticism...

I will agree on one thing: if I was interested only in factory stock racing, with a naturally aspirated V8 - then the 1320 is the car of choice.

I am curious how the new LT1 stripper 6th gen Camaro will perform however, though I don't expect it to match the 1320 since it won't come with the transbrake and all the other straight line/launch stuff the 1320 comes with.

Anyway, just trying to post relevant information and discussion here - carry on with the Camaro bashing...

I don't think the LT1 will perform much better than a 1SS. it might be 30 or 40 pounds lighter, but IIRC it's also on smaller all season tires vs summer tires for the SS. So in a straight line, edge for sure goes to the 1320, and SS and GT PP1*

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The ONLY Challenger or Charger worth buying is the Hellcat. At least, despite the fact that it is extremely big, heavy, difficult to park, and has more body roll than my SUV, at least it has over 700 HP. That is it's only saving grace. The car is cheaply and poorly made. The quality of the interior is low. The electronics fail more than a dropout student. But at least when it gets moving it is a blast to drive. The 1320, is a Hellcat with only half the HP. It is worthless when you can buy a used Hellcat for probably about the same money, get all the goodies that they came standard with, throw DRs on it, and blast past a 1320 like the POS it is. The 1320 is Dodge basically taking the one thing that is great about a Hellcat, removing that thing, and handing you the leftovers. It's like going to a wine and steak house, buying dinner, and only getting vegetables and a glass of tap water. So if you're singing 1320 praises then I hope you get one and I hope you enjoy it when you're traveling leisurely down the freeway and come to a slight bend and feel all that body roll slide you to the edge of the seat at 30 MPH. But it's your money. I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those things when $40K gets me a used low mileage Hellcat on DRs that will run mid to high 10s and has every feature available.


Yet he gives out Dodge handjobs all day long. LOL! I don't know what's wrong with some of these folks.

And even at that he picks the worst Challenger to drool over.

Blaq calls like it is, got to to appreciate that.

Some of the stuff you hate on like the body roll though, most people probably won't care because:

1. Most people that buy these cars IF they push them hard only do it going in a straight line

2. The 1320 is built/marketed/positioned and sold as a car that is great at going in a straight line, so I think people that buy it will understand it's not a corner carver.


The interior stuff though agree 100%, thats what keeps me away from a Dodge. The Charger would literally be the perfect car for me. Full size, four doors, big ass trunk can haul the kid around, buddies around keep my golf bag and softball bag in it and you can get it with 485HP (because the hellcat is out of my price range right now lol)to keep it fun. Dodge quality scares the hell out of me though and I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. I know every make has their problems, but I have known too many people that have dodges and they are nothing but problems

[rocket403]

I always thought Blaq was a bit of an A whole.

the 1320 is designed for the guys that like to race, so I'm drawn to those before Hellcats, The Demon was cost prohibitive.

Having owned my RT for close to 10 years and never having any issues Dodge reliability has been on point, and I would have no issues picking a new one in the future.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I don't think the LT1 will perform much better than a 1SS. it might be 30 or 40 pounds lighter, but IIRC it's also on smaller all season tires vs summer tires for the SS. So in a straight line, edge for sure goes to the 1320, and SS and GT PP1*

Maybe on the street, but on a prepped track - might sway to the lighter car.

Put the LT1 on a similar tire to the 1320 (I don't get those who argue against testing cars on identical compounds...) and I still think the 1320 with is trans stuff will win, but it will be closer than a base 1SS. GT* might even have a problem (again would require testing on the same tire...and please spare the stock or showroom stock comments, I am no more impressed if a Camaro beats a Mustang or Challenger due to having a better tire than the other way around. Equal tire, let the cars compete as apples to apples).

LT1 appears to be 66lbs lighter (not as much as I thought it would be):

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/09/...s-most-torque/

[LS6-M22]

Still I would put my money on a base LT1 A10 as the cheaper and quicker car against the GT A10 mustang. I personally beat an A10 GT in the quarter at my local track and I am driving a 1LE. Bottom line is these cars are too close to call and very driver mod dependent.

[cbr1100xx]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

One trick pony? You just described all Challengers.

LOL. So true. I've test driven Challenger RTs and RT scat packs. They are both nice cars but my GOD, they feel HUGE and HEAVY!! B/c they ARE!

If you want to hustle a Challenger anywhere, it does not feel like a natural thing for the car. It's just too heavy a car. It will do it albeit a bit clumsily and feel out of its element. It's also not very rewarding.

Do the same thing in a Camaro? The Camaro is ready to go and if far more nimble and better handling. Yet my SS is very comfortable to cruise around in.

Can't even compare the 2. Challenger is more of as straight line go fast elephant. The 1320 a stiff riding version.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I don't think the LT1 will perform much better than a 1SS. it might be 30 or 40 pounds lighter, but IIRC it's also on smaller all season tires vs summer tires for the SS. So in a straight line, edge for sure goes to the 1320, and SS and GT PP1*

I agree with you Shaffe 100% stock the LT1 will be a little slower than the SS. But the LT1 will be the car to buy and mod the hell out of.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Here we go with the excuse or diversion thing I mentioned above. Question is the Camaro's SS fastest model available faster than the Mustang's GT fastest model available? The number to beat is 11s, and no matter how you option out the SS it has never gotten there in 3+ years of reviews.

The answer to your question is No it is not.

Now answer MY questions....

Q1: Based on the configurations of cars sold, is a 2019 Camaro SS more likely to pull up to a 2019 Mustang GT that it can beat or not? I say yes, because most Mustang GTs on dealer lots are NOT PP1 + A10.

Q2: Is the Mustang GT M6 the slowest of the current Domestic 3 pony cars? I say yes. What say you? (or anyone else who chooses to chime in)

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I always thought Blaq was a bit of an A whole.

Tell your therapist. He'll care.

Originally Posted by rocket403

the 1320 is designed for the guys that like to race, so I'm drawn to those before Hellcats, The Demon was cost prohibitive.

You mean it was designed for guys who like to race...on a budget.

Originally Posted by rocket403

Having owned my RT for close to 10 years and never having any issues Dodge reliability has been on point, and I would have no issues picking a new one in the future.

Like I said, the ONLY Challenger or Charger worth it's money is the Hellcat. The Demon costed way too much with ADMs. The Redeye when optioned properly is well over what most would spend on one car that has no other use than to go in a straight line. My Hellcat MSRP was just over $70K and I would not have spent more for a vehicle that has no other use but the quarter mile.

The 1320 is not doing anything that I would consider special. We have all seen videos of the Mustang GT and Camaro SS hitting high 11s. So now a NA Dodge can do it. But it just can't do anything else. Congrats.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

My God your posts are boring.

Newmoon wants us to care ...sooo ....badly.

The Camaro is the best all around package whereas the S550 has been a series of disappointments. The one model, GT*, that has an edge, in a drivers race through the 1/4, had its chassis dynamics described as a disjointed mess.

We’ll be ok with our SSes. In its fourth model year of excellence. All of them performing the same.

Comparison: 2015 BMW M4 vs 2016 Chevrolet Camaro SS
“The Alpha chassis is worth its weight in aluminum. It's properly stiff and sporty; we've yet to find an Alpha car that didn't handle at or near the top of its class.”
“It has transcended its genre. It now can compete with the best from Europe.

2016 Camaro Motor Trend Car of the Year
"World-class sports car performance and dynamics,"

C&D 2016 10Best Cars: Chevrolet Camaro
“A Corvette with a back seat.”

C&D 2017 10Best Cars: Chevrolet Camaro
“its steering is nicely weighted and accurate to a degree that those unfamiliar with the newest Camaro would simply not believe”

C&D 2018 10Best Cars: Chevrolet Camaro
“About that chassis. It’s one of the best in the world, with the kind of preternaturally intuitive steering, faultless brakes, and overall balance you’d expect from a Porsche.”

H2H 2018 Camaro 1LE vs Performance Pack 1
"The Camaro SS 1LE isn't just a muscle car; it's a world-class sports car."

H2H 2018 Camaro 1LE vs Performance Pack 2
“Chevy has done the near impossible, transcended the genre, and turned a once provincial pony car into an honest to goodness world-class sports car.”

“To put it bluntly, the Camaro is in another league, with legitimate supercars.”

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The answer to your question is No it is not.

Now answer MY questions....

Q1: Based on the configurations of cars sold, is a 2019 Camaro SS more likely to pull up to a 2019 Mustang GT that it can beat or not? I say yes, because most Mustang GTs on dealer lots are NOT PP1 + A10.

Q2: Is the Mustang GT M6 the slowest of the current Domestic 3 pony cars? I say yes. What say you? (or anyone else who chooses to chime in)

I sure am enjoying my M6.

GT* A10
0-60 : 3.8 sec
1/4: 12.1 @ 120

SS A10
0-60: 3.9
1/4: 12.2 @ 118

GT M6
0-60: 4.3 sec
1/4: 12.6 @ 115

SS M6
0-60: 4.0 sec
1/4: 12.2 @ ?

The 10-speed GT rocketed to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds versus the manual's 4.3, and it shaved half a second off the quarter-mile run, posting a 12.1 at 120 mph compared to a 12.6 at 115 mph. While the 455-hp Camaro SS with the six-speed manual bettered the similar GT with 4.0- and 12.2-second figures, the automatic Ford outpaced the 2019 Chevy with a very similar 10-speed by a tenth both to 60 mph and through the quarter, and also had a 2-mph-faster trap speed.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...n-performance/

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I sure am enjoying my M6.

GT* A10
0-60 : 3.8 sec
1/4: 12.1 @ 120

SS A10
0-60: 3.9
1/4: 12.2 @ 118

GT M6
0-60: 4.3 sec
1/4: 12.6 @ 115

SS M6
0-60: 4.0 sec
1/4: 12.2 @ ?

I'm enjoying my M6 as well. I'll gladly give up .1 in a 1/4 mile to not feel like I'm a driving tricycle.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The answer to your question is No it is not.

Now answer MY questions....

Q1: Based on the configurations of cars sold, is a 2019 Camaro SS more likely to pull up to a 2019 Mustang GT that it can beat or not? I say yes, because most Mustang GTs on dealer lots are NOT PP1 + A10.

Q2: Is the Mustang GT M6 the slowest of the current Domestic 3 pony cars? I say yes. What say you? (or anyone else who chooses to chime in)

Who the blank cares about configurations either you are the fastest or your not, stop reaching for excuses. Instead try and figure out why the lighter more powerful SS is slower even with the same A10, that everyone in here claimed was the only reason the GT was quicker, and why the GT traps several mph faster, despite a large torque deficit throughout the powerband.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The answer to your question is No it is not.

Now answer MY questions....

Q2: Is the Mustang GT M6 the slowest of the current Domestic 3 pony cars? I say yes. What say you? (or anyone else who chooses to chime in)

Other than the 5.7L Dodge yes the GT M6 is slowest. The Bullitt is embarrassingly slow as well for having 480 horsepower. But certain people just cant understand we really dont much care about the GT*.

As far as the 1320 Challenger I like the idea of it more than I like the car itself. I am glad it exists but I'm not interested in it. I'd rather drive a Scatpack/Hellcat widebody than any Mustang though.