[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by rocket403

The Camaro only has a better platform if you plan on taking to a road course what does it do better than the Challenger or Mustang, looks are subjective I prefer the Challenger and Mustang over the Camaro.

I would suggest that the better platform also translates into better driving feel in every day "spirited" driving. I would also suggest that it translates in better behavior on the strip. The issue with the Bullitt that I mentioned in my last post seems to be that he struggles to get good 60' times because his ass-end hops all over the place. The additional hp doesn't offset that when he finally does hook up. This doesn't happen with Alpha.

As far as looks... yeah, definitely subjective. If I'm in the market for a coupe, GT350 is the best looking coupe of the bunch. GT and SS are a coinflip for me. Toss in 1LE and I lean Camaro. When it comes to convertibles, Camaro all day everyday. The Camaro follows the coupe lines way better than Mustang. Mustang convertible looks more like a notchback to me. As far as the FCA products, I actually prefer the styling of the Charger to the Challenger, extra doors and all. I may be an outlier in that respect. Challenger does have an awesome stance, though. The basic lines and proportions don't win me over, though.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Presently it is Challenger 1320, Mustang GT PP1 A10, Camaro SS A10, Camaro SS M6, Mustang GT A10 (w/o PP1...the most common configuration btw), Mustang GT PP1 M6, Mustang GT PP2, and Mustang GT M6 bringing up the rear.

You haven't seen tests of non-PP1 or non-PP2 Mustang GTs because reviewers aren't interested in testing the "base" Mustang GT. Which is the Mustang GT most prevalent on the street.

I give the PP1 A10 its due, but it does not magically improve the performance of every Mustang GT. And I have shown before that most Mustang GTs on dealer lots are base GT with M6 or A10, NOT PP1. If you buy the RIGHT Mustang GT (GT*, hat tip to hotlap) you'll be faster than Camaro SS. But most people don't buy that one.

Another interesting note....there is a thread on M6G where a guy is contemplating getting rid of his 480 hp Bullitt because he has trouble breaking 13s at Milan Dragway. I run my car at Milan quite often. BONE STOCK (until the next time I run. I'll have CAI when I run next week). I consistently run 12.8. I know, I know....not same day, same driver etc. But we're talking a 480 hp coupe compared to a 455 hp convertible. It shouldn't even be close.

Challenger / Charger Scat Pack fits in there somewhere. Not sure where, but I may find out next week. My buddy plans on bringing his Charger Daytona Scat Pack to Milan with me next week. Hopefully he's not wearing Nittos by then.

Here we go with the excuse or diversion thing I mentioned above. Question is the Camaro's SS fastest model available faster than the Mustang's GT fastest model available? The number to beat is 11s, and no matter how you option out the SS it has never gotten there in 3+ years of reviews.

[rocket403]

The 1320 just stormed past the Camaro into the 11's and is the fastest NA out of the 3 North American cars, looks like GM has no interest right now in the Camaro the C8 is getting all the press, the Camaro might be a victim of it's big bothers success.

[IneedAZ]

Originally Posted by rocket403

The 1320 just stormed past the Camaro into the 11's and is the fastest NA out of the 3 North American cars, looks like GM has no interest right now in the Camaro the C8 is getting all the press, the Camaro might be a victim of it's big bothers success.

The 1320 seems like a good deal. It is less money than my 18 Daytona 392. I feel the weight in my car. 2 things that would make that my car much better are 200-400lb weight savings and better trans. The 1320 is the same motor as my car.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Presently it is Challenger 1320, Mustang GT PP1 A10, Camaro SS A10, Camaro SS M6, Mustang GT A10 (w/o PP1...the most common configuration btw), Mustang GT PP1 M6, Mustang GT PP2, and Mustang GT M6 bringing up the rear.

You haven't seen tests of non-PP1 or non-PP2 Mustang GTs because reviewers aren't interested in testing the "base" Mustang GT. Which is the Mustang GT most prevalent on the street.

I give the PP1 A10 its due, but it does not magically improve the performance of every Mustang GT. And I have shown before that most Mustang GTs on dealer lots are base GT with M6 or A10, NOT PP1. If you buy the RIGHT Mustang GT (GT*, hat tip to hotlap) you'll be faster than Camaro SS. But most people don't buy that one.

Another interesting note....there is a thread on M6G where a guy is contemplating getting rid of his 480 hp Bullitt because he has trouble breaking 13s at Milan Dragway. I run my car at Milan quite often. BONE STOCK (until the next time I run. I'll have CAI when I run next week). I consistently run 12.8. I know, I know....not same day, same driver etc. But we're talking a 480 hp coupe compared to a 455 hp convertible. It shouldn't even be close.

Challenger / Charger Scat Pack fits in there somewhere. Not sure where, but I may find out next week. My buddy plans on bringing his Charger Daytona Scat Pack to Milan with me next week. Hopefully he's not wearing Nittos by then.

This. Mustang might have one specifically optioned model that has gotten. 1 faster than an ss according to a reputable magazine/publisher. In reality it's a drivers race.

Every other mustang is slower than the SS, manual or auto, and the manual mustang is the bottom of the barrel between the charger/challanger/mustang/camaro. Heck even the gt350 is a 12.5 car according to major publishers putting it behind the manual camaro.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I would suggest that the better platform also translates into better driving feel in every day "spirited" driving. I would also suggest that it translates in better behavior on the strip. The issue with the Bullitt that I mentioned in my last post seems to be that he struggles to get good 60' times because his ass-end hops all over the place. The additional hp doesn't offset that when he finally does hook up. This doesn't happen with Alpha.

As far as looks... yeah, definitely subjective. If I'm in the market for a coupe, GT350 is the best looking coupe of the bunch. GT and SS are a coinflip for me. Toss in 1LE and I lean Camaro. When it comes to convertibles, Camaro all day everyday. The Camaro follows the coupe lines way better than Mustang. Mustang convertible looks more like a notchback to me. As far as the FCA products, I actually prefer the styling of the Charger to the Challenger, extra doors and all. I may be an outlier in that respect. Challenger does have an awesome stance, though. The basic lines and proportions don't win me over, though.

Also this. I prefer the more modern charger over the challenger and a convertible that follows the body lines of the coupe. It's why I don't like convertible mustangs or corvettes nearly as much as their respective coupe variants, but at the end of the day looks are subjective up the individuals preferences.

[BlaqWhole]

Which manufacturer also makes the slowest V8 Pony car? Which one makes the 2nd slowest V8 Pony Car? The Camaro is in the middle considering that although it is not the fastest of the 3, it also is not the slowest of the 3 by a long shot. Also factor that the other 2 are 1 trick ponies. 1320, a watered down Hellcat that can only go straight. Mustang GT, the cheapest most poorly built Pony car that ever existed that can only go in a straight line otherwise it will overheat.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Here we go with the excuse or diversion thing I mentioned above. Question is the Camaro's SS fastest model available faster than the Mustang's GT fastest model available? The number to beat is 11s, and no matter how you option out the SS it has never gotten there in 3+ years of reviews.

My God your posts are boring.

[LS6-M22]

There is a new lighter and cheaper Camaro offered in 2020 so it may be that Camaro may be the best performance deal again

[rocket403]

If I was going to buy a car today it would be the 1320 I priced one out but right now i'm not ready to give up my RT maybe next year.

The Camaro is only a one trick pony what can it do better than the Challenger? only one thing

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by rocket403

If I was going to buy a car today it would be the 1320 I priced one out but right now i'm not ready to give up my RT maybe next year.

The Camaro is only a one trick pony what can it do better than the Challenger? only one thing

It's odd that you label people as fanboys, yet have nothing to add to a Camaro forum but criticism...

I will agree on one thing: if I was interested only in factory stock racing, with a naturally aspirated V8 - then the 1320 is the car of choice.

I am curious how the new LT1 stripper 6th gen Camaro will perform however, though I don't expect it to match the 1320 since it won't come with the transbrake and all the other straight line/launch stuff the 1320 comes with.

Anyway, just trying to post relevant information and discussion here - carry on with the Camaro bashing...

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by LS6-M22

There is a new lighter and cheaper Camaro offered in 2020 so it may be that Camaro may be the best performance deal again

This!! ^

Irregardless of which is slightly faster, the Camaro SS or Mustang, this has been a drivers race in the 1/4 given the same transmission since the Camaro caught up to the Coyote in 2016. Notice no Dodge 1320 M6. No 11s there most likely.

I have witnessed and participated in many, many of these matchups.

[Baldilocks01SS]

Originally Posted by rocket403

If I was going to buy a car today it would be the 1320 I priced one out but right now i'm not ready to give up my RT maybe next year.

The Camaro is only a one trick pony what can it do better than the Challenger? only one thing

One trick pony? You just described all Challengers.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by rocket403

If I was going to buy a car today it would be the 1320 I priced one out but right now i'm not ready to give up my RT maybe next year.

The Camaro is only a one trick pony what can it do better than the Challenger? only one thing

The ONLY Challenger or Charger worth buying is the Hellcat. At least, despite the fact that it is extremely big, heavy, difficult to park, and has more body roll than my SUV, at least it has over 700 HP. That is it's only saving grace. The car is cheaply and poorly made. The quality of the interior is low. The electronics fail more than a dropout student. But at least when it gets moving it is a blast to drive. The 1320, is a Hellcat with only half the HP. It is worthless when you can buy a used Hellcat for probably about the same money, get all the goodies that they came standard with, throw DRs on it, and blast past a 1320 like the POS it is. The 1320 is Dodge basically taking the one thing that is great about a Hellcat, removing that thing, and handing you the leftovers. It's like going to a wine and steak house, buying dinner, and only getting vegetables and a glass of tap water. So if you're singing 1320 praises then I hope you get one and I hope you enjoy it when you're traveling leisurely down the freeway and come to a slight bend and feel all that body roll slide you to the edge of the seat at 30 MPH. But it's your money. I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those things when $40K gets me a used low mileage Hellcat on DRs that will run mid to high 10s and has every feature available.

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

It's odd that you label people as fanboys, yet have nothing to add to a Camaro forum but criticism...

Yet he gives out Dodge handjobs all day long. LOL! I don't know what's wrong with some of these folks.

And even at that he picks the worst Challenger to drool over.