[Umbriel]

Originally Posted by cooper1965

I don't think its considered "opinion" when I'm the only one in this thread proving I actually own both cars the OP deals with.

I've owned multiple 4 the gens, raced all of them including an 8 second one I sold to buy my 6th gen outright.

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[Umbriel]

This is the one I just sold.

https://youtu.be/HfvYUFi7EKQ

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[cooper1965]

Originally Posted by Umbriel

This is the one I just sold.

https://youtu.be/HfvYUFi7EKQ

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That awesome! I'm glad you stepped up to the Alpha chassis.
(Although I still don't see that 2.0T you know so much about?)

In time, you will realize, that unlike your famed 4th Gen, you won't have to replace EVERY single major component to consistently go fast. Eng, trans, diff, susp...ect..

Fact is, my first time out in my tune only 2.0 was faster than any of the multiple 4th gen's Ive owned first outings. But,.... I guess that's my "opinion".

[Umbriel]

Yeah it would definitely be your opinion "bad driving" if your 4 cylinder was faster than an LS1, lol. LS1s just keep getting slower and slower on this site.

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[Cake's Z]

I had a 2000 z28 an smacked so many “built” 4 bangers. Even a 5th gen v6 Camaro. I wouldn’t consider the ls1 camaro\firebird slow by any means.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

I actually had a long ass post planned here but deleted it because i stopped myself for once after thinking about who i'm replying to. So i shortened it.



No one is saying the LS1 is slow so grow-up already.

Stock 6th Gen 2.0T vs. Stock 4th Gen SS is a toss-up race everytime if both drivers are of equal skill. The 4th Gen for all it's impressive power and weight cannot overcome the modernized technology. Now imagine if GM didn't fine tune the crap out of the 2.0T with TCM and Drive-By-Wire to be slower then the V6 and your whole argument wouldn't exist and you know it.

Your pandering is just another V8 is best facts and reality doesn't matter chest thump.

[s346k]

ls1 camaro: still bunching panties, 20+ years later.

take notes 4 cyl guys. you’re gonna need em.

[Neil350]

The problem with comparing old stats is, it's very rare to find a 4th gen in factory stock form these days. The ones that are, either some garage queen or it's been beat harder than the factory dash cap is cracked. Majority of those cars have been modified and trashed. In fact for us that have been around them for going on 20+ years, it's really sad when you find out the fate some of these cars suffered after they were sold off.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

My '95 LT1 with full bolt ons and Comp 305 mid-level cam made 340 rwhp on the stock heads. My Trans Am was fast for its 340 rwhp. I have many, many hours under the hoods on both of those cars doing all those upgrades. We were lucky in that some future NFL cheerleaders (literally) were our neighbors and would bring us hot chocolate and stuff on cold days while we were working under the hood. Good days.

Brings back memories of CZ28.com, I alway wondered what happened to some of those people. I ran the CC306 in mine with ported Dart Pro-1s, with a 93 LT1 Intake and through a 12 bolt the car made mid 420s. I wanted that cam from watching all the old videos on real player, in all honesty I probably gave up 10-15RWHP by using that cam in that set up, oh well. Sounded mean through a Borla.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Raptor Jesus

There is always a few hero runs on any car. 99% of the LS1 f-bodies would run 13.5-14.2. I raced many at beech bend for many years. The ones I saw run 12's had tire, gear, lid at the very least.

I have no doubt a gear/tune/tire 6th gen V6 would knock on 12's. Mine bone stock with 1000 miles ran 13.8@104 spinning with a lazy start and the factory horrible slipping trans tune. Yes, they are very comparable to a 4th gen LS1 car. The 4th gens just respond better to mods as it's not hampered by todays technology.

Sorry but, 14's are LT1 territory 4th Gen territory, not LS1's. Are you certain you were looking at LS1 F-Bodies? LS1's are 13.6 to 13.2 with an average driver depending on transmission and traction. 12's were hero runs, but still happened.

Originally Posted by cooper1965

I know there are some serious LS1 lovers here, but come on guys. LS1Tech is still alive and kicking ya know. The 15+year members with 100k posts will tell you high 12's was the VERY best and fastest stock times recorded. Most averaged mid-low 13's.

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Originally Posted by cooper1965

I don't think its considered "opinion" when I'm the only one in this thread proving I actually own both cars the OP deals with.

I owned (and still currently own) a 4th Gen LS1 and a 6th Gen 3.6 V6 at the same time. If the two competed, it would be pretty close given the V6 weighed less and also has an 8 speed auto but the LS1 would likely walk away due to it having more top-end after both of them really got moving.

Originally Posted by cooper1965

That awesome! I'm glad you stepped up to the Alpha chassis.
(Although I still don't see that 2.0T you know so much about?)

In time, you will realize, that unlike your famed 4th Gen, you won't have to replace EVERY single major component to consistently go fast. Eng, trans, diff, susp...ect..

Fact is, my first time out in my tune only 2.0 was faster than any of the multiple 4th gen's Ive owned first outings. But,.... I guess that's my "opinion".

It will take more than a tune. You will have to up the boost to think about beating an LS1 in the 4 Cyl.

Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH

I actually had a long ass post planned here but deleted it because i stopped myself for once after thinking about who i'm replying to. So i shortened it.



No one is saying the LS1 is slow so grow-up already.

Stock 6th Gen 2.0T vs. Stock 4th Gen SS is a toss-up race everytime if both drivers are of equal skill. The 4th Gen for all it's impressive power and weight cannot overcome the modernized technology. Now imagine if GM didn't fine tune the crap out of the 2.0T with TCM and Drive-By-Wire to be slower then the V6 and your whole argument wouldn't exist and you know it.

Your pandering is just another V8 is best facts and reality doesn't matter chest thump.

What part of throwing a turbo on a 4 Cyl from the factory makes it more technologically advanced than a LS1? Of course with added compression its going to make significantly more power. I don't believe these motors benefit from the same technological advancements as the 3.6L and 6.2L variants.

And you're comparing a 275 HP car to a 350 HP car stock for stock. The LS1 is a bit heavier, and the 4 Cyl does have better gearing in Auto form, but it's not a drivers race by any means unless the LS1 is un-maintained given they're over 20 years old now. The LS1 will destroy it if both are in stock form and the LS1 is running properly.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

The turbo isn't what makes cars now compared to 20 yrs. Ago more advanced... it's like talking to a 2 yr. Old with you fanboys no matter the platform...And aside from people's hero dyno runs not using sae on a dyno the specs say 305hp not 350hp now that's engine horsepower and the drivetrains then to now are totally overhauled we maybe suffer a 10 to 12% loss as opposed to the 20% average back then. Again because you know koolaid drinkers slap that 3.6 on the track with a 2.0T stock for stock and you'll be less inclined to post dumb theorycrafting. Your jist upset a 4cyl can hang with your V8 from 20yrs. Ago the same way the 2005 mustang V8s were upset the 3.6 5th gen camaro could hang and beat them before ford overhauled a new coyote to save face.

[GearheadSS]

Until someone on this forum takes a stock LS1 4th gen and a stock LTG 6th gen and lines them up, I think all of this bickering back and forth can stop. This thread has turned into a V8 vs. LTG dick swinging contest.

[Raptor Jesus]

Originally Posted by s346k

ls1 camaro: still bunching panties, 20+ years later.

take notes 4 cyl guys. you’re gonna need em.

When the LS1 Camaro came out 20 years ago I had an 11 second stock bottom end Civic. Only notes I took was make sure I was ahead when their 10 bolt cracked.

[Raptor Jesus]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

Sorry but, 14's are LT1 territory 4th Gen territory, not LS1's. Are you certain you were looking at LS1 F-Bodies? LS1's are 13.6 to 13.2 with an average driver depending on transmission and traction. 12's were hero runs, but still happened.

Here is my first run ever in my Camaro at beech bend. Traction control on and 100 miles on the clock, temp tag in the window. Ran against a 2000 trans am with lid and radials. I ran a 13.8@104 later that day. I've ran literally hundreds upon hundreds of passes at that track in dozens of cars for over 20 years.

https://youtu.be/M2K9V3g4k2Q

[s346k]

Originally Posted by Raptor Jesus

When the LS1 Camaro came out 20 years ago I had an 11 second stock bottom end Civic. Only notes I took was make sure I was ahead when their 10 bolt cracked.

i was referencing the 4 cyl camaro guys, keep your pants on cowboy. i recall a few fast hondas back in the day. you’re from indiana. you spend any time on the south side of indy? you must know mybuddygabe. he was the honda god for a long time, imho.