Oil filter confusion (still)

zx9rmal · 10-23-2024, 01:50 PM

So, I posted about this in March. The amount of part numbers is ridiculous.

I ordered a PF64 filter on Amazon. The picture of it showed the same part # as listed in the High Performance Manual, 12640445. I just received the filter and this is what I got. Not happy about the Chinese or whatever it is. Could this be a knockoff? The filter looks like the real thing.

arpad_m · 10-23-2024, 01:58 PM

It's most likely the real thing, don't worry about the Korean and Japanese scripts.

The PF64 oil filter has seen a spectacular part number progression over the years, yours is the latest variant: 12640445 -> 12696048 -> 12706595 -> 25206377 -> 25206966

(GM even had two "non-successive" iterations with 19386865 -> 19419226, who knows why they keep changing a $5 part so much.)

Dynamical · 10-23-2024, 02:25 PM

Maybe stop over at Wallyworld and pick one up to compare the two? You can return it or have it for next time? Possibly take yours off the car (if it's same part) compare them if not too messy? That's why I said just pick up a new one. Just an idea.

2SS Capt · 10-23-2024, 11:52 PM

PF64 = PF64, don't worry about the other part number as those change as suppliers change... As long as it is a legit PF64, you should be fine...

discgolf01 · 10-24-2024, 12:24 AM

Its real, Delco went to that packaging design a few years ago. Probably for global cost savings.

Also, this happened a few years ago, but seems like improvements in design:
https://gmserviceinsights.com/new-ac...d-performance/

ZED SLED · 10-24-2024, 07:18 AM

I've used this filter from Amazon the past 3-4 yrs with no issues.

WhiteMale · 10-24-2024, 07:52 AM

I got a PF64 in the same multilingual packaging last week, I'm sure it's good to go. Though a year or so ago I did return one because I did suspect it might have not been legit but I'm ok with it now.

dreksnot · 10-24-2024, 12:08 PM

Just to throw you a monkey wrench, I like the ACDelco PF63F. More filtering surface area and 22psi internal bypass valve pressure.

arpad_m · 10-24-2024, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreksnot

Just to throw you a monkey wrench, I like the ACDelco PF63F. More filtering surface area and 22psi internal bypass valve pressure.

Doesn't the PF63E extend below the bottom of the oil pan or the brace in front of it? I don't recall how much taller that filter is compared to the PF64.

ctrlz · 10-24-2024, 10:02 PM

Can't find anyone complaining or comparing fake/counterfeit pf64 filters. That's a relief.
This is a pretty comprehensive comparison looking at the evolution of the pf63 including the change in packaging:
https://youtu.be/ZFOFAXkKnAM?si=vlq49afgmBJNAhxp

2SS Capt · 10-24-2024, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Doesn't the PF63E extend below the bottom of the oil pan or the brace in front of it? I don't recall how much taller that filter is compared to the PF64.

I think you are right and much of the reason the PF64 is shorter... Last thing I want is my oil filter being the "lowest point" and then hear something rub... Those oil filters aren't much thicker than a beer can, wouldn't take much to grind through one quickly leaving one hell of a snail trail in it's wake...

dreksnot · 10-25-2024, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Doesn't the PF63E extend below the bottom of the oil pan or the brace in front of it? I don't recall how much taller that filter is compared to the PF64.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2SS Capt

I think you are right and much of the reason the PF64 is shorter... Last thing I want is my oil filter being the "lowest point" and then hear something rub... Those oil filters aren't much thicker than a beer can, wouldn't take much to grind through one quickly leaving one hell of a snail trail in it's wake...

Nah. They're about 1" taller, and there's room. Crossbar is lower. Time and weather pending, I plan to do an oil change this weekend and should be able to snap a picture of it installed.

arpad_m · 10-25-2024, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dreksnot

Nah. They're about 1" taller, and there's room. Crossbar is lower. Time and weather pending, I plan to do an oil change this weekend and should be able to snap a picture of it installed.

Thank you very much, great info

KingLT1 · 10-25-2024, 09:43 AM

I run Delco filters with China writing (they all are that way now) on the daily, But the Camaro gets a K&N HP1017. I like the welded nut on the bottom... makes it easier to get off.

10-23-2024, 01:50 PM	#1
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10-23-2024, 01:58 PM	#2
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10-23-2024, 02:25 PM	#3
Dynamical Drives: 2022 Camaro LT1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: new england Posts: 570	Maybe stop over at Wallyworld and pick one up to compare the two? You can return it or have it for next time? Possibly take yours off the car (if it's same part) compare them if not too messy? That's why I said just pick up a new one. Just an idea. __________________ 2022 Camaro LT1 A10 - Drag Pack/Corsa double X pipe/AWE track axleback -11.849@118.67MPH/1.798 60' 2001 Camaro SS A4 - HCI/Stall/Bolt-on/Gear/Tune/DR/Diet - 429HP/392TQ - 10.99@123.58MPH/1.584 60' 1998 Camaro Z28 A4 - Bolt-on 1999 Camaro Z28 A4 - Stock

10-23-2024, 11:52 PM	#4
2SS Capt 2020 Shadow Gray 2SS Drives: 2020 2SS - A10, NPP, MRC, CAI Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,690	PF64 = PF64, don't worry about the other part number as those change as suppliers change... As long as it is a legit PF64, you should be fine... __________________ 2020 SGM 2SS - A10, NPP, MRC, Red Calipers, Black Fender Badge, Footwell Lighting *After delivery:* - GMP CAI, GMP Black Strut Tower Brace, MRR017 1LE Wheels, SS Armrest, Black Fuel Door, Stainless Pedals, SS Wheel Caps, GM Splash Guards, DD Smoked LED Markers, Smoked Rear Reflectors, Mishimoto Catch Can, Xpel PPF-Full Front & Rockers, 35% Tint, CeramicPro coated, RST Stainless Brake Lines, Castrol SRF, MSD Plug Wires, Mamo V3 Ported TB *Left: My "fun" ride (455 HP). Right: My "work" ride (52,000 HP): a Gulfstream G600. One's top speed is 180 Mph, the other, 620 Mph. BOTH AWESOME to operate...*

10-24-2024, 07:18 AM	#6
ZED SLED Drives: 2017 Mosaic Bk ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: South of Raleigh, NC Posts: 9,615 View My Garage	I've used this filter from Amazon the past 3-4 yrs with no issues. __________________

10-24-2024, 12:24 AM	#5
discgolf01 Drives: 2018 ZL1 Convertible M6 Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: USA Posts: 64	Its real, Delco went to that packaging design a few years ago. Probably for global cost savings. Also, this happened a few years ago, but seems like improvements in design: https://gmserviceinsights.com/new-ac...d-performance/

10-24-2024, 07:52 AM	#7
WhiteMale Drives: 23 ZL1 A10 Rapid Blue Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: MO Posts: 2,243	I got a PF64 in the same multilingual packaging last week, I'm sure it's good to go. Though a year or so ago I did return one because I did suspect it might have not been legit but I'm ok with it now.

10-24-2024, 12:08 PM	#8
dreksnot Served USN - Atomic Chimp Drives: 2021 Camaro ZL1 1LE A10 (stock) Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,708 View My Garage	Just to throw you a monkey wrench, I like the ACDelco PF63F. More filtering surface area and 22psi internal bypass valve pressure. Attached Images __________________ > > 2021 Camaro ZL1 1LE A10 > > Past Builds: 2013 Twin-Turbo LSX434 M6 - 1,359rwhp daily

10-24-2024, 10:02 PM	#10
ctrlz Drives: 2017 2SS, 50th pkg, M6, MRC, NPP Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Ocean City, NJ Posts: 3,558	Can't find anyone complaining or comparing fake/counterfeit pf64 filters. That's a relief. This is a pretty comprehensive comparison looking at the evolution of the pf63 including the change in packaging: https://youtu.be/ZFOFAXkKnAM?si=vlq49afgmBJNAhxp

10-25-2024, 09:43 AM	#14
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 7,561	I run Delco filters with China writing (they all are that way now) on the daily, But the Camaro gets a K&N HP1017. I like the welded nut on the bottom... makes it easier to get off. __________________ 2016 NFG SS A8/Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel

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