[PAUL SS]

Now that Ford will put the most powerful production engine in a Mustang for MY 2013 Will the ZR1 Corvette get a bump to trump Ford's 650 hp?

[Stew]

Why? the ZR1 is still going to be superior per power/weight and it is in a totally different league.... If you meant ZL1, an increase in HP is probably about 2 years out at KLEAST. Remember, they canno just change the tune and up the boost, they have to upgrade the engine to handle the extra power, do reliability and durability testing, upgrade the rest of the drivetrain to reliably handle the extra power, and then get it certified to sell.

[rez333]

ZR1 will definitely get a boost in power, but I doubt GM will do anything on the ZL1 given that a design upgrade is coming soon. I think the next version is the version to lookout for. The people on this board who have seen it says that we will be happy with the new design. I can't wait for a smaller car - I'm kind of sick of this generation's bloated fat pig style.

[motorhead]

It's the most power production V-8 engine. Not most powerful production engine. Anyway, they don't have to increase the power in the ZR1. It will still dust the GT500. The ZL1 on the other hand is a wait and see. My thinking is that GM already has a pretty good idea that they will still beat the GT500 with the current ZL1.

[FenwickHockey65]

Pretty sure all Corvettes will get a bump in power with the Gen Vs.

[PAUL SS]

It doesn't matter what car it is in, just wondering if GM/Chevy will want to reclaim the title. Pretty sure it would happen the Corvette not the Camaro.

[Biscuitpie]

Oh look, what a new and interesting topic..

[Jekyll-N-Hyde]

I dont see why Gm needs to respond. Come on a Factory 700hp car for real ? lets see the insurance premium for that one lol

yeah it gains 50hp and 100lbs of weight just to be safer.



Ford imo can have the most HP the question is still left unanswered can they put it to the ground as good.


ok so they may win the drag race part. The ZL1's suspension imo is set up for a different type of driving.


So it seems all Ford cares about is going in a straight line.
( nothing wrong with that as I love drag racing but there is more to a car than just going straight )

[kbui]

As the CAFE standards get tougher, GM should be looking at better weight/HP ratios instead of just absolute power. With their investments already in the handling dynamics (magnetic ride), more advanced materials for the structures (carbon fibers, sandwiched aluminum sheets...) to get their cars lighter, a smaller V8s with forced inductions would be a better answer to Ford. A while back a Lambo called "Sixth Element:Carbon" was put together as a concept for the future: smaller engine (V10 instead of a V12) on a car which is around 2200lbs. That's the progress GM should be looking at.

[SUX2BU]

In before the SSE 4 2SS LOCK!

[TheReaper]

We need to enjoy all this HP while we can because the next generation Camaro and Mustang could be a turbo 4 bangers.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Jekyll-N-Hyde

I dont see why Gm needs to respond. Come on a Factory 700hp car for real ? lets see the insurance premium for that one lol

yeah it gains 50hp and 100lbs of weight just to be safer.



Ford imo can have the most HP the question is still left unanswered can they put it to the ground as good.


ok so they may win the drag race part. The ZL1's suspension imo is set up for a different type of driving.

So it seems all Ford cares about is going in a straight line.
( nothing wrong with that as I love drag racing but there is more to a car than just going straight )

You realize the 13 GT500 update is FAR more than just adding HP right? the suspension is redone with available electronic dampers, there is new launch control and performance stability control, the gearing is changed to higher ratios so technically less torque is being sent to the wheels in at least first 3 geas compared with the 11 and 12, aerodynamics have been coimpletely updated also to allow stability at 200 MPH. I see no problem with the 13 Gt500 keeping up with and yes, beating the ZL1 even on the twisties. they have a lot more into it than just throwing HP at it, they are going for blood in all shape and forms.... I can't wait for a comparison, heck, i would love to see a comparison between the 12 GT500 PP and the ZL1, IMHO, it will be a hell of a lot closer than what one would think. What a great time to be a motorhead!

[Txmxracer]

Originally Posted by Stew

You realize the 13 GT500 update is FAR more than just adding HP right? the suspension is redone with available electronic dampers, there is new launch control and performance stability control, the gearing is changed to higher ratios so technically less torque is being sent to the wheels in at least first 3 geas compared with the 11 and 12, aerodynamics have been coimpletely updated also to allow stability at 200 MPH. I see no problem with the 13 Gt500 keeping up with and yes, beating the ZL1 even on the twisties. they have a lot more into it than just throwing HP at it, they are going for blood in all shape and forms.... I can't wait for a comparison, heck, i would love to see a comparison between the 12 GT500 PP and the ZL1, IMHO, it will be a hell of a lot closer than what one would think. What a great time to be a motorhead!

It sounds like it is going to be one heck of a car. It has all of the right components. But the real question is whether or not all of those components will work together flawlessly to bring out the best the car has to offer. The same question was asked about the ZL1 with the LSA, MR, EPS, and new body parts. You can build any car with all of the best parts, but it doesn't mean anything if they don't work together properly.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Txmxracer

It sounds like it is going to be one heck of a car. It has all of the right components. But the real question is whether or not all of those components will work together flawlessly to bring out the best the car has to offer. The same question was asked about the ZL1 with the LSA, MR, EPS, and new body parts. You can build any car with all of the best parts, but it doesn't mean anything if they don't work together properly.

I don't see that being a problem. if it was an aftermarket modifier, I would say certainly, lots of reason to wonder or wrroy, but with a large scale manufactuer who has billions to spend, access to any and every test scenarion, I don't see that as a worry a all. i had no doubt the ZL1 components would work well together and the same is true of the GT500.