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Old 03-21-2025, 06:53 PM   #85
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So my car's on the list for this recall and it is a 1SS 1LE without Nav and with a manual.
2SS, but same...
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Old 03-21-2025, 08:50 PM   #86
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I might go bite the bullet and have this done if it truly is a theft preventative update to the BCM. Anyone know if it’s safe to have done if I currently have a tune? Don’t want to drive it around without a reflash if not?
Several people say it should be ok with a tuned vehicle. the BCM is independent of the ECM and TCM.
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Old 03-21-2025, 09:45 PM   #87
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Can anyone in the community provide concrete evidence about the functionality of GM's security update?

Is the update safe and effective?

While we know the OBD port vulnerability extends across GM's entire lineup - including cars, SUVs and trucks under the Chevrolet, GMC, and Cadillac brands - there are still unanswered questions.

Has GM implemented a company-wide recall to address this security weakness?

More importantly, what verification exists to confirm that their software solution actually works and won't cause other issues?
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Old 03-22-2025, 11:34 AM   #88
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Can anyone in the community provide concrete evidence about the functionality of GM's security update?

Is the update safe and effective?

While we know the OBD port vulnerability extends across GM's entire lineup - including cars, SUVs and trucks under the Chevrolet, GMC, and Cadillac brands - there are still unanswered questions.

Has GM implemented a company-wide recall to address this security weakness?

More importantly, what verification exists to confirm that their software solution actually works and won't cause other issues?
It's a software update, just like your phone, computer, smart watch/etc update. Is it always 100% bug free? Probably as tests are done before things are released to a production environment. How long and thorough testing GM does? Who knows, but software isn't something new to them..

If you're uncertain of whatever "security" update is being done, then just don't get it done.
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Old 03-22-2025, 02:01 PM   #89
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Let me rephrase to make it clearer.

I am reaching out to the community for evidence: Has anyone confirmed that this software update actually prevents key programming?

I don't believe the update is related to OBD port key programming capabilities.
If key programming through the OBD port was the real issue, GM would have been required to issue a fleet-wide recall.

Since we can eliminate key programming as the purpose of the software update,
we should explore other possibilities for what the software update actually does, if GM won't disclose.

Smells to me.

Without GM providing transparency about the update's purpose, there's no obligation to install it.

GM can't deny warranty claims based on a software update they haven't officially linked to any warranty conditions.

Personally, it's reasonable to wait for clear information about the update's purpose and effects before proceeding.
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Old 03-22-2025, 03:15 PM   #90
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Let me rephrase to make it clearer.

I am reaching out to the community for evidence: Has anyone confirmed that this software update actually prevents key programming?

I don't believe the update is related to OBD port key programming capabilities.
If key programming through the OBD port was the real issue, GM would have been required to issue a fleet-wide recall.

Since we can eliminate key programming as the purpose of the software update,
we should explore other possibilities for what the software update actually does, if GM won't disclose.

Smells to me.

Without GM providing transparency about the update's purpose, there's no obligation to install it.

GM can't deny warranty claims based on a software update they haven't officially linked to any warranty conditions.

Personally, it's reasonable to wait for clear information about the update's purpose and effects before proceeding.
Wait, what? Key programming through the OBD port is NOT a "Real Issue", where have you been the last 2 years???

And how are you jumping to conclusion that this update is NOT the fix for the OBD Key Programming (apparently "Non") issue???

Many people have said their service department has said that the update provides "Important Security Enhancements", sounds like finally the fix for the ("Non") issue that has had everyone running scared for the past 2 years...
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Old 03-22-2025, 07:27 PM   #91
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My take on this is the same as 2SS Capt.

GM is likely providing the update to try to limit the lawsuits against them for cars being stolen via the OBD and software weakness. To my knowledge, it was Camaros that were, by far, the most stolen model. If they were to call it a recall and clearly state the problem being fixed, it would raise more attention from those whose cars were stolen and probably result in more law suits that GM would have to defend against. And not just Camaros. This way, they may just fix the problem for Camaros and leave all the other models untouched, which saves them $.

With GM's current approach, they fix Camaros vulnerability quietly (they aren't admitting in writing that there is a vehicle security problem), and the lawsuit exposure is minimized from:
1) Current owners - their cars can no longer be stolen by the key copy technique
2) Past owners who had their cars stolen - GM has admitted nothing in writing about the OBD key problem, so less likely for them to see lawsuits (harder for plaintive to prove)
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Old 03-22-2025, 09:16 PM   #92
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Can someone confirm if the GM software BCM recall update hardens/ensures the security of the OBD port when programming keys?

A simple yes or no with supporting evidence would be helpful.

I'm looking for someone with direct experience with confirmed results after having the update to their Camaro.

If this has not been tested yet, then we need to find the results.
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Old 03-22-2025, 09:29 PM   #93
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Can someone confirm if the GM software BCM recall update hardens/ensures the security of the OBD port when programming keys?

A simple yes or no with supporting evidence would be helpful.

I'm looking for someone with direct experience with confirmed results after having the update to their Camaro.

If this has not been tested yet, then we need to find the results.
If anyone knew, they would have spoken up by now. Literally everyone who has responded here has told you that nobody is certain what is contained in the update. So I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by coming in here and demanding answers, when nobody has the answers yet.
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Old 03-23-2025, 01:40 AM   #94
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My take on this is the same as 2SS Capt.

GM is likely providing the update to try to limit the lawsuits against them for cars being stolen via the OBD and software weakness. To my knowledge, it was Camaros that were, by far, the most stolen model. If they were to call it a recall and clearly state the problem being fixed, it would raise more attention from those whose cars were stolen and probably result in more law suits that GM would have to defend against. And not just Camaros. This way, they may just fix the problem for Camaros and leave all the other models untouched, which saves them $.
This pretty much describes what my suspicions were as soon as the "security issue" mentions started cropping up for an otherwise non-descript software change. Just hoping our suspicions turn out to be correct!
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Old 03-23-2025, 11:07 AM   #95
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I'm at the dealer for this right now. I talked with the service advisor. Asked what the recall is for, and he said, "Have you heard about all the issues with these cars being stolen? This fixes it. An external device can no longer be connected to the vehicle so it can be started." (I'm paraphrasing.)
I wonder if hardening the security of the obd port will then disable the Range Technology AFM disabler from working. "The Range AFM/DFM Disabler Allows Your V6 or V8 GM Vehicle to Run in Full Cylinder Mode. Disable Active or Dynamic Fuel Management without reprogramming the factory ECU"
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Old 03-23-2025, 12:03 PM   #96
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I wonder if hardening the security of the obd port will then disable the Range Technology AFM disabler from working.
Again, purely speculating here, but since the OBD theft issue involved an ability to immediately make a new key fob using an "all keys lost" function, if that's what the software update disables, it hopefully will not have an impact on unrelated OBD functionality like an AFM disabler...
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Old 03-23-2025, 12:15 PM   #97
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To reiterate, I will send my key guy out, at no charge, to meet anyone w/ the update to try an "all keys lost, new key program. You will need to meet near Lilburn/Norcross GA. If you want an extra key, I will do that at cost. Otherwise, I will get the update in a week or 2, and confirm on my car.
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Old 03-25-2025, 03:11 AM   #98
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To reiterate, I will send my key guy out, at no charge, to meet anyone w/ the update to try an "all keys lost, new key program. You will need to meet near Lilburn/Norcross GA. If you want an extra key, I will do that at cost. Otherwise, I will get the update in a week or 2, and confirm on my car.
TurboC3 and Camaro6 Community,

Thank you TurboC3 for offering to investigate the recall!

I apologize to the community if my previous response came across as demanding.

While OBD key programming theft is a legitimate concern, I doubt it's the core issue here in the recall notice. If it were, and I hope I'm wrong, I really hope I'm wrong, we'd likely read about similar recalls across GM's lineup (Silverado's, Escalades, etc) plus GMAuthority would print something about it.

Additionally, GM is unlikely to restrict legitimate locksmith OBD programming capabilities. We will find out soon, thanks to TurboC3.

In the meantime, I've contacted my dealer, who has always been responsive and service oriented, to:
  • Get clarity on the recall's purpose
  • Confirm if declining the update affects my 7-year warranty
I'll share their response when received.
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