[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

You are probably right that there will likely not be a "Big 5" head-to-head anytime soon. When I say Big 5, I mean MT, C&D, R&T, Automobile, and Cars.com. What we might see is something from the Throttle House guys who tend to rely on getting cars loaned to them by owners as opposed to car companies or dealerships. They do a pretty decent job at that, too. Better than I could do and I halfway know what I'm doing.

On the flip side of the coin, I could see GM telling the Big 5 "If you happen to get your hands on a GT500 and want to borrow a ZL1 / ZLE, you know where to find us".

I would gladly loan them my ZL1 if they provided transportation of the car and accommodations for myself. LOL!!

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Is a base ZL1 at least one second faster than the C8 at VIR full? I'm honestly not sure what the ZL1/ZLE will run on that track. I think Ford should be encouraging a Camaro comparison since at a similar price the C8 Z06 will annihilate it. Hell the C8 Z51 base gave it a good fight.

Either way the GT500 will look bad. I don't see any way it comes out from these testings with a win.

As far as the ZL1 against the C8 I am not sure about a full second. But I would think the ZL1 would have the same advantages as the GT500 even if not as much. Interesting thought tho.

I do think the ZL1 has pulled more LGs in testing tho.

Originally Posted by Fraxum

LOL GSJ is an okay guy. I raced him and his wife many times at Atco. He was 1 of 2 Mustang husband-wife teams I raced. Jelena used to have a 5th gen SS which is what started that Camaro user. Later she bought a Coyote and they modded it to low 10s. Not sure she is too happy about that. He had a fast Fox body but he got tired of the money pit.

He likes to poke at people online just to get a reaction. And he and Jelena both can drive though and know a good bit about racing. Respect. I hope to get back to Atco next spring with a Camaro. My Rav4 wins only the first 25 feet against those auto coyotes, especially the low 10 second ones.

I'm sure he is a decent fella in real life. However there is no denying that in here he became a troll and got worse and worse as time went on. I stopped replying to him figuring that he had something against me personally. I figured if I didn't reply back then he'd act normal. But even that didn't work. He kept quoting my posts trying to goad me into a fight. When that didn't work he went right to someone else and carried M6G BS over here. Look at his comments from the past 2 weeks. 90% is trash talk. Even a moderator had to get on him. He makes up lies and completely false stories and then talks down about "magazine racing" yet he spends all his time here. He earned his suspension.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Change the track from VIR Full to VIR North so we can see chassis tuning vs power. Make it a three way comparison between the ZL1 A10, GT500 and Redeye.

The drag-strip part demonstrates power. Use the track to showcase the platform.

I'd rather the VIR Grand or Laguna Seca personally so that we have other data to guesstimate comparisons with since those two tracks have tons of performance cars that have ran them and posted numbers.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

LOL GSJ is an okay guy. I raced him and his wife many times at Atco. He was 1 of 2 Mustang husband-wife teams I raced. Jelena used to have a 5th gen SS which is what started that Camaro user. Later she bought a Coyote and they modded it to low 10s. Not sure she is too happy about that. He had a fast Fox body but he got tired of the money pit.

He likes to poke at people online just to get a reaction. And he and Jelena both can drive though and know a good bit about racing. Respect. I hope to get back to Atco next spring with a Camaro. My Rav4 wins only the first 25 feet against those auto coyotes, especially the low 10 second ones.

He seemed like a fun enough guy to banter with, seemed to live in reality much more so than other mustang fanboys I've encountered around here.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I'd rather the VIR Grand or Laguna Seca personally so that we have other data to guesstimate comparisons with since those two tracks have tons of performance cars that have ran them and posted numbers.

I’d actually like to see the same venue as the ZL1 vs GT350R H2H. Big Willow. Randy Pobst has set a lot of lap times there

1:28.40 Z/28 2015
1:28.29 SS 1LE
1:28.29 GT350R
1:26.48 ZL1 A10
1:28.28 C7 Grand Sport
1:26.16 ZL1 M6 (same car ran 1:27.90 against the GT350R)
1:25.00 C7 Z06
1:23.70 C7 ZR1
1:23.69 Ford GT

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...e-squad-goals/

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...gt350r-review/

[BlaqWhole]

Looks like one already has problems...

https://youtu.be/gMdw07QZd3E

[minn19]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Looks like one already has problems...

https://youtu.be/gMdw07QZd3E

I hate it when people beat on cold/brand new engines/cars like that. But, it’s his car so go for it.

Plus all American cars are just burnout machines? Haven’t been around the domestic car scene the last 5 years?

Definitely Ford job 1 though!

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by minn19

I hate it when people beat on cold/brand new engines/cars like that. But, it’s his car so go for it.

Plus all American cars are just burnout machines? Haven’t been around the domestic car scene the last 5 years?

Definitely Ford job 1 though!

Evidently they are an exotic car rental company in Vegas so couldn't care less. Someone on M6G said they recognize them.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Evidently they are an exotic car rental company in Vegas so couldn't care less. Someone on M6G said they recognize them.

Yah I know the company, but it still bugs me. One of the many reasons I never buy performance cars used.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by minn19

Yah I know the company, but it still bugs me. One of the many reasons I never buy performance cars used.

Same here. Mainly because I know how hard I'm going to drive them and want to be sure they are properly broken in and maintained (just like most of us I'm sure ).

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Same here. Mainly because I know how hard I'm going to drive them and want to be sure they are properly broken in and maintained (just like most of us I'm sure ).

Yup.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by minn19

I hate it when people beat on cold/brand new engines/cars like that. But, it’s his car so go for it.

Plus all American cars are just burnout machines? Haven’t been around the domestic car scene the last 5 years?

Definitely Ford job 1 though!

I saw that, this idiot doesn't deserve that car.

No clue about American performance cars, no clue how many gears the trans has because he didn't drive it fast enough? Such stupid logic lol. That's the first and last of this guys videos I'll watch.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I saw that, this idiot doesn't deserve that car.

No clue about American performance cars, no clue how many gears the trans has because he didn't drive it fast enough? Such stupid logic lol. That's the first and last of this guys videos I'll watch.

Agreed.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by minn19

I hate it when people beat on cold/brand new engines/cars like that. But, it’s his car so go for it.

Plus all American cars are just burnout machines? Haven’t been around the domestic car scene the last 5 years?

Definitely Ford job 1 though!

I don't know how long they let it warm up but if a GT500 cant handle a burnout.....

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I don't know how long they let it warm up but if a GT500 cant handle a burnout.....

Especially in the rain, agreed. People are saying it could be a fuel issue, which considering what a genius this guy seems to be, I wonder if he accidentally put 87 in it.

Idling doesn’t really warm a car up.