[fastball]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Your requirements are much closer than you think.

I'd like to see a battery capable of powering a car go from complete dead state to 100% fully charged in less than 10 minutes.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by wavsine

It is not a matter of what anybody wants. EV technology has always been limited by the battery. Capacity, range, cost, safety.

Even if you are one of those people who can live with limited range, it's not a trivial expense when the battery pack dies. It costs $15,000 to replace the battery pack in a Chevy Bolt. And if any of you are involved in the RC hobby, you already know about the danger of lithium ion and lithium polymer battery packs catching fire.


"Electric cars may stall without a battery revolution"

https://www.theguardian.com/sustaina...on-tesla-volvo

While this is true (actually I think the number may a bit be higher), there is already 7 years of history with the Chevrolet Volt. The battery in that car is available as a service part at GM. In the 7 years that the Volt has been in the market, GM has sold none. Zero.

Part of this is because the battery has an 8-year warranty. There have been battery replacements due to collision loss, but no batteries have been replaced because they wore out.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by fastball

I'd like to see a battery capable of powering a car go from complete dead state to 100% fully charged in less than 10 minutes.

Why? If you plug it in and start with a full battery every morning, why would you need to charge from completely empty in 10 minutes? I am asking because I am curious, not to poke holes.

[BlueSteel07]

I seriously doubt mass produced Camaro SS's will be appreciating Collector Items in the future, even if the V8 gets killed off. Don't know why so many think their SS will be a collector and worth a lot of money if/when the V8 dies. Anyways, Cost, weight, heat, battery range and lack of infrastructure are what's holding back the Electric Sports car. If they can fix those problems and make them so they're good on the track, while keeping cost down, they'll have a winner.

[BlueSteel07]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Why? If you plug it in and start with a full battery every morning, why would you need to charge from completely empty in 10 minutes? I am asking because I am curious, not to poke holes.

Because some people will want to take road trips and it would be helpful if it took 10 minutes instead of having to charge it all night.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by BlueSteel07

Because some people will want to take road trips and it would be helpful if it took 10 minutes instead of having to charge it all night.

That's what I thought. Porsche will introduce the Mission E electric sports sedan in 2019. It will have a 300+ mile electric range and capability charging up to 80% capacity in 15 - 20 minutes. This is approximately how long I stop on road trips. I'd be ok with that.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...-in-15-minutes

The problem would be if I got to an ultra-fast charge station and all the ports were taken. Then you'd have to stack a 20 minute wait for an available plug on top of the 20 - 30 minutes you'd need to charge your own vehicle. Given that I might make 10 driving trips of more than 250 miles one way in the course of the year, I would trade off that one long wait for 5 - 10 minute waits every week at a gas station. Remember, I'd wake up every morning with 2-300 miles available range just from plugging in before I went to bed, so....no more gas station stops (or fast-charging station stops) EXCEPT on long trips.

[90503]

The "range" of electric cars is a joke....It's the opposite of gas cars....That is, gas cars go farther on the highways with their best mileage, and bad mpg around town...

Electric cars are the opposite...At highway speeds they lose their juice quicker and the highly touted several hundred mile "range" is only at slow speeds around town.

"Range anxiety" applies to long trips at highway speeds, not a total of low-speed urban miles...

I wish the electric cars would be more truthful about this....Instead all they show is a total range, but they should break it down into highway/city like gas cars do.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

B/c stopping for HOURS to recharge is an ABSOLUTE DEAL BREAKER for people that travel for a living. If you stay within the battery's range for every commute or day of travel and charge up at night, it's not a problem. People who drive long distances for work will not add even more HOURS to their drive times. 10 minutes is where they need to be for 100% recharge and similar range as a tank of gas.

it will hurt the travel industry. I drive all over northern Ontario on family vacation trips in the summer. Loads of Canadians and I assume northern state Americans travel by car to the warmer states for the winter. What are you going to do.....take 2 weeks to drive from Toronto to Orlando lol.


Perhaps they will stick with the small ICE like in the volt. It only recharges the battery, and never powers the drive train.

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I tried to stay out of this thread for a number of reasons, but here I am.

A lot of conjecture in this thread is based on the fact that The Washington Post completely misinterpreted Mark Reuss's statement. When Mark said "GM is going all-electric" he meant that for advanced propulsion options, GM will focus on vehicles that run all-electric. He did not say or mean that all GM vehicles will be electric by 2023.

GM is committing to 20 new electric vehicle options by 2023. It is very likely that the 20 includes plug-in hybrids (like Chevy Volt) as well as full-electric (like Chevy Bolt).

Today GM has more than 80 models. If 20 are going to be electric, that means the other 60 will disappear (sooo not likely) or will still be ICE.

True..Wash. Post is the main purveyor of manufactured FaKe NEWS.

[chrisvr6]

Originally Posted by fastball

1. Washington Post and tree huggers go together like pb&j.

2. Until electric cars can go 350-400 miles on a charge and get FULLY 100% charged in under 10 minutes they won’t sell mainstream.

3. To go along with that, you need ample charging stations on every corner like current gas stations.

Until the American infrastructure can support that, and battery tech advances to that point, for a sticker under $30k WITHOUT tax assistance, the internal combustion engine’s demise is highly exaggerated.

the infrastructure can support this maybe in 100 years

Originally Posted by waterman

Zero emissions is a farce.

yup, i dont see any electric airplanes or ship, they should change that first, then we will have electro smug problem

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by BlueSteel07

I seriously doubt mass produced Camaro SS's will be appreciating Collector Items in the future, even if the V8 gets killed off. Don't know why so many think their SS will be a collector and worth a lot of money if/when the V8 dies. Anyways, Cost, weight, heat, battery range and lack of infrastructure are what's holding back the Electric Sports car. If they can fix those problems and make them so they're good on the track, while keeping cost down, they'll have a winner.

Unless this country truly succumbs to the snowflake liberalism then yes our current Camaros will be valuable if they stop making them.

[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by chrisvr6

yup, i dont see any electric airplanes or ship, they should change that first, then we will have electro smug problem

Kinda like this?

[Marty McFlew]

If this country was really truly serious about pollution then they would stop with cutting down all the trees and replacing them with concrete slabs, houses, malls, office buildings etc. Lack of trees is worst on combating pollution than what cars put out. Not to mention the constant displacement of wildlife habitats. Politicians are FOS.

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That's what I thought. Porsche will introduce the Mission E electric sports sedan in 2019. It will have a 300+ mile electric range and capability charging up to 80% capacity in 15 - 20 minutes. This is approximately how long I stop on road trips. I'd be ok with that.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...-in-15-minutes

The problem would be if I got to an ultra-fast charge station and all the ports were taken. Then you'd have to stack a 20 minute wait for an available plug on top of the 20 - 30 minutes you'd need to charge your own vehicle. Given that I might make 10 driving trips of more than 250 miles one way in the course of the year, I would trade off that one long wait for 5 - 10 minute waits every week at a gas station. Remember, I'd wake up every morning with 2-300 miles available range just from plugging in before I went to bed, so....no more gas station stops (or fast-charging station stops) EXCEPT on long trips.

Looks like a real bore.