Ok, now that the numbers are in...any disappointment? - Page 4

KyleL · 04-23-2017, 06:46 PM

It's also a little lighter too

KyleL · 04-23-2017, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IneedAZ

any idea what the rear ratio for the auto Hellcat?

2.62....so in between an a8 c7 and a z51 a8 c7

IneedAZ · 04-23-2017, 06:50 PM

I would have thought the Hellcat would have been steeper

KyleL · 04-23-2017, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IneedAZ

I would have thought the Hellcat would have been steeper

The only 3.xx gears I've seen so far in a8's are in trucks or 4cyl sendans

OminouSS · 04-23-2017, 08:44 PM

I do feel for the Q mile fellas. That said, you have to realize this is the most capable domestic track car next to the ACR. Yeah, I did not include the C7 in there, by design. sorry, I've never been passed by one. Not stock, not modified.

OminouSS · 04-23-2017, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleL

Then we wouldn't be able to hit 60 in 1st lol.

Hahahah. That's just not the case.

Zeke.Malvo · 04-23-2017, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OminouSS

I do feel for the Q mile fellas. That said, you have to realize this is the most capable domestic track car next to the ACR. Yeah, I did not include the C7 in there, by design. sorry, I've never been passed by one. Not stock, not modified.

I don't understand that line of thinking. Why would you not include the C7 "by design"? And how is the ZL1 more of a "capable domestic track car" than, say, a GT350R or track pack, on the track?

Diggitydog · 04-23-2017, 09:56 PM

Fanboys doing fanboy things. The GT350R is basically a custom built car it's so limited. Ford should call it GT350 Limited. Beyond that it's about to lose a major Motortrend Head to Head to the ZL1.

NicD · 04-23-2017, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IneedAZ

Reason I mentioned a fuel additive was to make sure u are working with the high octane fuel table. Some have reported pinging. Obviously if It drops back to low octane tables or KR u will feel like tq is going on. It was just a tool to rule things out.

Knock retard due to octane has nothing to do with the torque management, two totally separate things.

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Originally Posted by Infern0

The big deal is it actively prevents improved 60' times, even when completely "disabled".

Welcome to 2005, seriously this has been a thing for over 10 years now. Starting in 2005 the C6 had it, the 2010 Camaros had it, really it's nothing new. When completely disabled in the tune it is in fact completely disabled.

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Originally Posted by big dave

The c7 Z06 isn't as restricted as the ZL1s, I've seen high 1.5 60' times from stock z06s. My stock 5th gen zl1 has pulled 1.65 60' times on the factory tires. It doesn't look like Chevy is letting the new Z loose until 2nd gear.

Yes they are, I have one. Mine wouldn't do better than a 1.65 60' out here in AZ either when stock. What your 5th gen ZL1 did or didn't do isn't applicable for a multitude of reasons that I think you can figure out.

NicD · 04-23-2017, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OminouSS

I do feel for the Q mile fellas. That said, you have to realize this is the most capable domestic track car next to the ACR. Yeah, I did not include the C7 in there, by design. sorry, I've never been passed by one. Not stock, not modified.

Not sure what that even means.

big dave · 04-24-2017, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by NicD

Knock retard due to octane has nothing to do with the torque management, two totally separate things.

Welcome to 2005, seriously this has been a thing for over 10 years now. Starting in 2005 the C6 had it, the 2010 Camaros had it, really it's nothing new. When completely disabled in the tune it is in fact completely disabled.

Yes they are, I have one. Mine wouldn't do better than a 1.65 60' out here in AZ either when stock. What your 5th gen ZL1 did or didn't do isn't applicable for a multitude of reasons that I think you can figure out.

Like I said , I've seen a stock Z06 pull 1.5? 60', my buddy has one too so I know it can be done. That sure doesn't sound very restricted to me.

BlaqWhole · 04-24-2017, 03:26 AM

No matter how you slice it, one car has to be faster and the other has to be slower. I've seen Hellcats rated anywhere from a 10.6 to a 12.1 in the quarter mile depending on the driver, track, track conditions, weather, and the fact that some Hellcats will just be faster than other Hellcats. If you look at the best times of the Hellcat in ideal situations and then compare it to the avreage times of the ZL1 then you will be disappointed in the ZL1. But in all reality, these cars are closer than you think. Off the showroom flor and straight to the track with absolutely no modifications whatsoever (no lightening, no lowered tire pressures, no tweaking of any sort), these cars will be neck and neck in the quarter mile with maybe a slight advantage to the Hellcat. Start putting DRs and this and that and it is literally anyone's game. So no, I'm not diasppointed. I do love the Hellcat BTW.

Also you have to remember that cars like the Hellcat and GT500 seem to be more built for straight line performance. Cars like the ZL1 are meant more for a variety of purposes. Kinda like a runner. A runner who does everything well might not be faster than someone who mainly sprints. But all in all, both are fantastic cars.

IneedAZ · 04-24-2017, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NicD

Knock retard due to octane has nothing to do with the torque management, two totally separate things.

Welcome to 2005, seriously this has been a thing for over 10 years now. Starting in 2005 the C6 had it, the 2010 Camaros had it, really it's nothing new. When completely disabled in the tune it is in fact completely disabled.

Yes they are, I have one. Mine wouldn't do better than a 1.65 60' out here in AZ either when stock. What your 5th gen ZL1 did or didn't do isn't applicable for a multitude of reasons that I think you can figure out.

Back to what I said.. I said KR or low timing tables can make the car feel like it is being held back of its full potential. I didn't say it was the same thing. Others assume it is tq management and I am offering an alternative to what they are feeling.

Bosse'sBoss · 04-24-2017, 07:06 AM

I don't think there's a disappointment on a Camaro which Excell better than many exotic euro and Japanese sport cars costing double or triple its price, even perfoming better than most of his big brother Corvette models and with a chassis and suspension that feels safer to the ground compared to his big brother Z06.
With great numbers at the track or 1/4 mile and a joy for spirited driving.
What else could you ask . ZL1s are great cars. Thanks GM.

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IneedAZ Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 & 2021 BMW M340i x Dr Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,111 View My Garage	I would have thought the Hellcat would have been steeper __________________ Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS. 2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 Born 3/17/17Delivered 4/08/17 2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. 807hp/762tq on 93 gas and 848hp/792tq on e47 Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive

04-23-2017, 08:44 PM	#47
OminouSS Drives: Red Hot track candy Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,092	I do feel for the Q mile fellas. That said, you have to realize this is the most capable domestic track car next to the ACR. Yeah, I did not include the C7 in there, by design. sorry, I've never been passed by one. Not stock, not modified. __________________ Baby born 11/08/16. Left birthing place 11/25/16. Arrived home 12/6/16: '17 Red Hot ZL1. Stock.

04-24-2017, 07:06 AM	#56
Bosse'sBoss Drives: '16 Camaro SS 6 spd manual transm. Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,549	I don't think there's a disappointment on a Camaro which Excell better than many exotic euro and Japanese sport cars costing double or triple its price, even perfoming better than most of his big brother Corvette models and with a chassis and suspension that feels safer to the ground compared to his big brother Z06. With great numbers at the track or 1/4 mile and a joy for spirited driving. What else could you ask . ZL1s are great cars. Thanks GM. __________________ '16 Camaro SS Prior cars: '14 Corvette C7 Stingray Z51 '14 Camaro ZL1 w/. Recaro seats '11 Mustang GT 5.0 w. track package '02 Porsche 911 Carrera '05 Infiniti G35 coupe sport

04-23-2017, 09:56 PM	#50
Diggitydog Drives: 2017 ZL1 Nightfall Convertible M6 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 276	Fanboys doing fanboy things. The GT350R is basically a custom built car it's so limited. Ford should call it GT350 Limited. Beyond that it's about to lose a major Motortrend Head to Head to the ZL1.

04-24-2017, 03:26 AM	#54
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	No matter how you slice it, one car has to be faster and the other has to be slower. I've seen Hellcats rated anywhere from a 10.6 to a 12.1 in the quarter mile depending on the driver, track, track conditions, weather, and the fact that some Hellcats will just be faster than other Hellcats. If you look at the best times of the Hellcat in ideal situations and then compare it to the avreage times of the ZL1 then you will be disappointed in the ZL1. But in all reality, these cars are closer than you think. Off the showroom flor and straight to the track with absolutely no modifications whatsoever (no lightening, no lowered tire pressures, no tweaking of any sort), these cars will be neck and neck in the quarter mile with maybe a slight advantage to the Hellcat. Start putting DRs and this and that and it is literally anyone's game. So no, I'm not diasppointed. I do love the Hellcat BTW. Also you have to remember that cars like the Hellcat and GT500 seem to be more built for straight line performance. Cars like the ZL1 are meant more for a variety of purposes. Kinda like a runner. A runner who does everything well might not be faster than someone who mainly sprints. But all in all, both are fantastic cars.

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