[Corner carver]

Originally Posted by ChrisG33

My point was, the proper tire and a good driver will do more for you than weighing 200lbs less. 200lbs are 200lbs but at 650hp will most likely be unnoticeable.

Totally agree!

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by ChrisG33

Chicagotommy how is a v8 not better? except for worst mpgs.

Everyone has one? It's not that they aren't better or worse everyone has a preference and a budget.

[ChrisG33]

[QUOTE=Evil-Bee-NH;9617166]Everyone has one? It's not that they aren't better or worse everyone has.

Tommy stereotyped the v8 guys with a quote "muh v8 is better" so Im legitimately asking him how is the v8 not better performance wise. In my book for power and reliability (performance) the v8 is better.

[ChrisG33]

Don't get me wrong evil-bee-nh I like my 4cyl, but I also understand that to go fast you need a v8 unless you have deep deep pockets.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Just seems like a pointless debate to me after all the dumb arguments it'll turn into a I4 v. V8 thread if we continue saw enough V6 v. V8 threads to not see it.

[cellsafemode]

sometimes, car modding doesn't follow logic. This is fine. Sometimes arbitrary restraints (like making big power with smaller motors rather than just using a bigger motor) bring out creativity and ingenuity.

practicality isn't the point most of the time. More often it's more about being unique.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

sometimes, car modding doesn't follow logic. This is fine. Sometimes arbitrary restraints (like making big power with smaller motors rather than just using a bigger motor) bring out creativity and ingenuity.

practicality isn't the point most of the time. More often it's more about being unique.

+1

[Corner carver]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

sometimes, car modding doesn't follow logic. This is fine. Sometimes arbitrary restraints (like making big power with smaller motors rather than just using a bigger motor) bring out creativity and ingenuity.

practicality isn't the point most of the time. More often it's more about being unique.

Yes! This exactly! Well put cellsafemode!

[ChicagoTommy]

Originally Posted by ChrisG33

Chicagotommy how is a v8 not better? except for worst mpgs.

You're misunderstanding my comment. I was not commenting that either engine is better. I was commenting on the type of people that come in an have nothing better to do than preach V8 regardless the question. I know a V8 is better for every kind of racing. I currently own a V8 LS3 powered Chevy SS Sedan.

[ChicagoTommy]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

sometimes, car modding doesn't follow logic. This is fine. Sometimes arbitrary restraints (like making big power with smaller motors rather than just using a bigger motor) bring out creativity and ingenuity.

practicality isn't the point most of the time. More often it's more about being unique.

Personally, I'm never a fan of arbitrary restraints. I've seen thousands of build threads over the years where guys will say "I'm only doing 'X' because of 'Y' arbitrary reason". That's completely pointless. I've seen people say they want to be the fastest while using some arbitrary handicap like fastest with stock LS1 853 heads. No one cares about that other than the guy that decided it to be his goal. Or other people that say they want to only run a 237 intake cam to keep their car 'streetable', when it damned sure isn't going to be streetable at that point, so you might as well put a 24x cam in and let 'er rip.


However, if it is done to fit the rules of a racing series or other generally agreed upon "rules" (like having the fastest internally stock 5th Gen V8), I'd understand why.

Just being different to be different is usually an exercise in stupidity/futility. I watched a buddy of mine (we went to HS together), dump 6 figures into a GMC Typhoon. He ripped out the AWD system to run RWD only, and swapped the stock turbo 4.3 for a 4.3 Oddfire V6 out of a Busch Series race car with nitrous. If he would have stayed AWD Turbo V6, he would have been a hell of a lot faster for the money! Heck, he could have saved himself $20k off the bat by starting with a RWD GMC Jimmy 2d, rather than tearing a Typhoon apart!

[ChicagoTommy]

[QUOTE=ChrisG33;9617305]

Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH

Everyone has one? It's not that they aren't better or worse everyone has.

Tommy stereotyped the v8 guys with a quote "muh v8 is better" so Im legitimately asking him how is the v8 not better performance wise. In my book for power and reliability (performance) the v8 is better.

As I said, you misconstrued my comment. Not all V8 guys are like that, but the ones that tend to seek out the smaller engine areas of F-body websites seem to be. The guy we were talking about was blathering some nonsense about how the 4 cyl is unreliable and would need constant rebuilding.

Yes the LSx/LTx V8's are a much better platform from which to start a build. I've built a bunch of them. And I never said they weren't better.

So at this point.... Reading comprehension > You

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by ChicagoTommy

Personally, I'm never a fan of arbitrary restraints. I've seen thousands of build threads over the years where guys will say "I'm only doing 'X' because of 'Y' arbitrary reason". That's completely pointless. I've seen people say they want to be the fastest while using some arbitrary handicap like fastest with stock LS1 853 heads. No one cares about that other than the guy that decided it to be his goal. Or other people that say they want to only run a 237 intake cam to keep their car 'streetable', when it damned sure isn't going to be streetable at that point, so you might as well put a 24x cam in and let 'er rip.


However, if it is done to fit the rules of a racing series or other generally agreed upon "rules" (like having the fastest internally stock 5th Gen V8), I'd understand why.

Just being different to be different is usually an exercise in stupidity/futility. I watched a buddy of mine (we went to HS together), dump 6 figures into a GMC Typhoon. He ripped out the AWD system to run RWD only, and swapped the stock turbo 4.3 for a 4.3 Oddfire V6 out of a Busch Series race car with nitrous. If he would have stayed AWD Turbo V6, he would have been a hell of a lot faster for the money! Heck, he could have saved himself $20k off the bat by starting with a RWD GMC Jimmy 2d, rather than tearing a Typhoon apart!

Just doing something to be different is a cornerstone to modding your car ...period. Most people dont race, dont take their car to a track, and dont compete in competitions of any kind. There's lots of different reasons why something may be constrained by the owner, all just as valid as any other reason.

If we're talking a competition, then there are right and wrong choices....if we're not, then there aren't any if the result is what the owner intended.

You may not agree with them, but unless you're paying for the car, why would your opinion matter to anyone?

Creating something nobody else has is in the DNA of car modding. Having it be justifiable or logical is not a requirement.

[ChicagoTommy]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Just doing something to be different is a cornerstone to modding your car ...period. Most people dont race, dont take their car to a track, and dont compete in competitions of any kind. There's lots of different reasons why something may be constrained by the owner, all just as valid as any other reason.

If we're talking a competition, then there are right and wrong choices....if we're not, then there aren't any if the result is what the owner intended.

You may not agree with them, but unless you're paying for the car, why would your opinion matter to anyone?

Creating something nobody else has is in the DNA of car modding. Having it be justifiable or logical is not a requirement.

You're absolutely right. I'm not paying for anyone's cars, so they can do whatever they like. No one needs my approval at all! You do you, Imma do me.

I also fully agree that wanting to be different is the cornerstone of modding. We both have Camaros, I want mine to have tiny 15 inch wheels. You might want to run the OEM 20's. Ain't nothin wrong with neither, and my choice is neither logical or reasonable. My Typhoon example was just to show how this can go really wrong! All that time and money spent to go no faster was an exercise in futility. Just like modding the old 2.5L 4 cyl Iron Duke engine in the 3rd gen Camaros! Sure, you could have modded it, but it would still be a slow pile of shit!

Part of my point was that people come up with arbitrary restrictions, then use that as a justification as to why their car runs poorly. I've heard plenty of people say "If I would have run XXX part, my car would be FLYING!". And then I think to myself, no, adding a rocker arm trunion upgrade would not cure your 12.80 heads/cam/intake/headers car's problems.

[Michigan1LTRS]

Originally Posted by ChicagoTommy

Just like modding the old 2.5L 4 cyl Iron Duke engine in the 3rd gen Camaros! Sure, you could have modded it, but it would still be a slow pile of shit!