[Egon]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

I think I know who will be my first choice for an experienced driver ride along if I make it to that April event at Zmax haha I think that will be a win-win for both of us!

Hell yah, I hope you can make it and not just because I can get a ride. We need to find out what region you are in up where you are stationed so you can attend events there as well.

[RUQWIKR]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Just a note. Of the 3 highest modes on PTM (Sport 1, Sport 2, and Race) only Sport 1 has active handling enabled. This is where its helping you avoid overrotating the car. I might even try running PTM in Sport 2 to get a feel for the actual rotation and behavior of the car without any nanny interference. You still get the benefit of traction control and eLSD but its not trying to fight a slide it will let the car drift if pushed hard enough.

I personally will be using autocross as a safe environment to test the limits of the car. If I lose it at an autocross I may get a cone or two, but if I lose it at a track I put it in a sand trap or even hit a wall. So I might even run with everything off or PTM in race moded and get a feel for the car then start to dial the PTM in.

Again take this all with a grain of salt since I'm not an auto cross expert.

I liked Sport 1 the best for my 1LE autocross outing Sunday. Sport 2 and Race allowed more rotation than I wanted. Like you mention, I'm using the next number of months to do some SCCA and non-SCCA events to run around and over some cones before heading to a HPDE.

Be sure to download the Cosworth Toolbox to get more data out of your PDR runs.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by Egon

I think the multitude of traction control settings could cause problems with learning the car and improving general driver skill if people are constantly switching between them. Every time you change a setting it's like getting into a different car that you have to learn all over again. I would advise to choose one and stick with it consistently while learning the car, and the least invasive one the better. My personal suggestion, and keep in mind I do not have a 6th Gen 1LE, would be to either leave it all on or all off, with my bias being towards all off. In the case of the 1LE, Sport 1 or Sport 2 sounds best. As you said autocross is a relatively safe environment to learn the car, so why not go all out. You will learn that "oh that makes the car spin out, lets not do that again" rather quickly. (ask me how I know)....

In the case of our 6th gen 1LE's, Track/Race would be traction Off / stability Off. It will definitely let you feel how the chassis works inherently, though it may not actually be quickest unless you're buttah-smoove. I'm wagering that Track/Sport1 or Track/Sport2 will end up being quickest for most good drivers.

To bring that further, tracking cars without ABS is also an important learning tool to feel what the contact patches are actually doing, and it also trains you to use "the right amount" of brakes, both in initial application and total foot pressure. Jamming the pedal straight into ABS isn't peak braking power, and chances are it's also upsetting the chassis, making corner entry an inconsistent and hairy experience.

Even further, tracking a non-ABS non-TCS non-DSC car in the wet is the ultimate learning experience, as there's variable friction, and zero aids. This is what I've been doing for the past 7 years with the Lotus and Miata, and they've helped me build a more competent skills base to be quicker, more consistently, in varying conditions. As the saying goes, "seat time, seat time, seat time." It also helps tremendously to have eloquent instructors that can articulate where your areas of improvement are. I personally find it helpful to ride with other instructors and race drivers when given the chance. Everyone has their own style but staying fresh with the fundamental techniques of driver posture, hand control, foot control, and eyesight moderation are important.

[RUQWIKR]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

In the case of our 6th gen 1LE's, Track/Race would be traction Off / stability Off. It will definitely let you feel how the chassis works inherently, though it may not actually be quickest unless you're buttah-smoove. I'm wagering that Track/Sport1 or Track/Sport2 will end up being quickest for most good drivers.

Sport 2 has Active Handling off like Race for PTM.

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by RUQWIKR

Sport 2 has Active Handling off like Race for PTM.

I just re-read the performance supplement. It seems based on the explanation the main difference between Sport 2 and Race is the prior is still metering power in corners.

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by Egon

Hell yah, I hope you can make it and not just because I can get a ride. We need to find out what region you are in up where you are stationed so you can attend events there as well.

I'm in the D.C. region and they have AutoX events down at Fed-Ex field monthly along with track days at Summit Point. Only problem right now is they don't have a Starting Line School scheduled so far, hopefully that changes soon.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

I think I know who will be my first choice for an experienced driver ride along if I make it to that April event at Zmax haha I think that will be a win-win for both of us!

Originally Posted by Egon

Hell yah, I hope you can make it and not just because I can get a ride. We need to find out what region you are in up where you are stationed so you can attend events there as well.

I need to get up to the Zmax event too! This might be my first event in the 1LE as I don't see anything closer that is happening before. Egon, I hope you're ready to have your brain picked.

[Egon]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

I need to get up to the Zmax event too! This might be my first event in the 1LE as I don't see anything closer that is happening before. Egon, I hope you're ready to have your brain picked.

I hope you can make yourself a regular! Here is our 2017 schedule.

• AX #1 - March 4th @ zMax - Sterling Malory Archer
• AX #2 - March 26th @ Donaldson - Space: The Final Frontier
• AX #3 - April 22nd & 23rd @ zMax - The 3rd Annual Unofficial NC Tour
• AX #4 - May 7th @ Donaldson - The Last In Line
• AX #5 - May 27th @ Donaldson - Team America
• AX #6 - June 17th & 18th @ zMax - The Tour de Dad
• AX #7 - July 15th @ zMax - Airplane!
• AX #8 - August 19th @ zMax - Jebediah Springfield
• AX # 9 - September 23rd @ zMax - Camelot, 'Tis a Silly Place
• AX #10 - October 14th @ zMax - Pulp Fiction
• AX #11 - November 11th & 12 @ zMax - The Odd Couple Tour
• Novice School - March 25th @ Donaldson
• Crosstrial Shootout - May 6th @ Donaldson

As I mentioned earlier we have added Donaldson Airport in Greenville SC that is probably a lot closer to you. We have 3 events scheduled there as well as a novice school which I highly recommend especially if you're new to autocross. We also have a Crosstrial Shootout scheduled at that location too. The Crosstrial is a circular mirrored course and two cars are run at the same time starting at opposite ends of the course whoever gets to the start/finish first wins and it uses double elimination brackets. One of my autocross buddies had something like 24 runs at the one we had in 2016 and almost ended up winning the event.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by Egon

I hope you can make yourself a regular! Here is our 2017 schedule.

• AX #1 - March 4th @ zMax - Sterling Malory Archer
• AX #2 - March 26th @ Donaldson - Space: The Final Frontier
• AX #3 - April 22nd & 23rd @ zMax - The 3rd Annual Unofficial NC Tour
• AX #4 - May 7th @ Donaldson - The Last In Line
• AX #5 - May 27th @ Donaldson - Team America
• AX #6 - June 17th & 18th @ zMax - The Tour de Dad
• AX #7 - July 15th @ zMax - Airplane!
• AX #8 - August 19th @ zMax - Jebediah Springfield
• AX # 9 - September 23rd @ zMax - Camelot, 'Tis a Silly Place
• AX #10 - October 14th @ zMax - Pulp Fiction
• AX #11 - November 11th & 12 @ zMax - The Odd Couple Tour
• Novice School - March 25th @ Donaldson
• Crosstrial Shootout - May 6th @ Donaldson

As I mentioned earlier we have added Donaldson Airport in Greenville SC that is probably a lot closer to you. We have 3 events scheduled there as well as a novice school which I highly recommend especially if you're new to autocross. We also have a Crosstrial Shootout scheduled at that location too. The Crosstrial is a circular mirrored course and two cars are run at the same time starting at opposite ends of the course whoever gets to the start/finish first wins and it uses double elimination brackets. One of my autocross buddies had something like 24 runs at the one we had in 2016 and almost ended up winning the event.

Awesome!!! Donaldson is definitely in my back yard. I hope to attend most of the Events listed above. I might even persuade the GT4 and GT350 owners from work to tag along to the Donaldson events.

[Egon]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Awesome!!! Donaldson is definitely in my back yard. I hope to attend most of the Events listed above. I might even persuade the GT4 and GT350 owners from work to tag along to the Donaldson events.

Well shoot we just got some news about the schedule this season and apparently Donaldson Airport fell through during negotiations. One of the events got moved back to zMax but we were able to secure the Michelin Proving Grounds site in Mountville SC instead. Here is the revised schedule.

• AX #1 - March 4th @ zMax - Sterling Malory Archer
• AX #2 - March 26th @ zMax - Space: The Final Frontier
• AX #3 - April 22nd & 23rd @ zMax - The 3rd Annual Unofficial NC Tour
• AX #4 - May 7th @ Michelin Proving Grounds - The Last In Line
• AX #5 - May 28th @ Michelin Proving Grounds - Team America
• AX #6 - June 17th & 18th @ zMax - The Tour de Dad
• AX #7 - July 15th @ zMax - Airplane!
• AX #8 - August 19th @ zMax - Jebediah Springfield
• AX # 9 - September 23rd @ zMax - Camelot, 'Tis a Silly Place
• AX #10 - October 14th @ zMax - Pulp Fiction
• AX #11 - November 11th & 12 @ zMax - The Odd Couple Tour
• Novice School - March 25th @ Michelin Proving Grounds

Hopefully it won't be too far for you and your friends to at least get to the ones at the Michelin Proving Grounds.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by Egon

Well shoot we just got some news about the schedule this season and apparently Donaldson Airport fell through during negotiations. One of the events got moved back to zMax but we were able to secure the Michelin Proving Grounds site in Mountville SC instead. Here is the revised schedule.

• AX #1 - March 4th @ zMax - Sterling Malory Archer
• AX #2 - March 26th @ zMax - Space: The Final Frontier
• AX #3 - April 22nd & 23rd @ zMax - The 3rd Annual Unofficial NC Tour
• AX #4 - May 7th @ Michelin Proving Grounds - The Last In Line
• AX #5 - May 28th @ Michelin Proving Grounds - Team America
• AX #6 - June 17th & 18th @ zMax - The Tour de Dad
• AX #7 - July 15th @ zMax - Airplane!
• AX #8 - August 19th @ zMax - Jebediah Springfield
• AX # 9 - September 23rd @ zMax - Camelot, 'Tis a Silly Place
• AX #10 - October 14th @ zMax - Pulp Fiction
• AX #11 - November 11th & 12 @ zMax - The Odd Couple Tour
• Novice School - March 25th @ Michelin Proving Grounds

Hopefully it won't be too far for you and your friends to at least get to the ones at the Michelin Proving Grounds.

Michelin is still close enough for me. I hate that Donaldson fell through, but I still plan to make the first one at ZMax.

[Egon]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Michelin is still close enough for me. I hate that Donaldson fell through, but I still plan to make the first one at ZMax.

Michelin is a good surface but the amenities are limited and parking kinda sucks so get there early if you can. Our novice school will be there this year too.

You might also want to look into the SCCA starting line school. They have one on Feb 18th at Darlington. Cost of entry includes SCCA membership which will save you on each entry for our events, as well as a free local SCCA entry, entry into a Match Tour or Championship Tour, and a free entry to a Track Night in America. In the past they have also offered Snell SA approved helmets for an additional $100 and I think they intend to offerer something like that again this year but they haven't announced the prices yet.

Here are all of the dates so far for the Starting Line School.

February 18: Starting Line South Carolina
Darlington Raceway; Darlington, South Carolina

March 18: Starting Line Portland
Portland International Raceway; Portland, Oregon

March 18: Starting Line NorCal
NASA Crows Landing Airport; Crows Landing, California

April 8: Starting Line Boston
Moore Army Airfield; Devens, Massachusetts

Get the Porsche and GT350 guy to go with you!

[SS2017]

You guys want a laugh in regards to 6th gens and autocross, go check out oldmans posts in this thread:

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...480336&page=14

[Elevenbravo]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

I'm in the D.C. region and they have AutoX events down at Fed-Ex field monthly along with track days at Summit Point. Only problem right now is they don't have a Starting Line School scheduled so far, hopefully that changes soon.

You may want to look at Capital Driving Club (CDC) and BMW Capital Region (NCCBMW) autox events as well.