[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by shaffe

what track did they do the test on? I am surprised the gap wasn't bigger. I was expecting the ZL1 to really out run the 350R.

Big willow.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by catdog

GT350R won because of sound, feel, and specialness...

Despite massive power advantage ZL1 was only .39 sec faster around willow springs...

In drag, ZL1 much faster by 1/2 mi

Also Randy hinted SS-1LE sweeter handling than ZL1 which was also my impression though only test drove the former, knew it as soon as I got into my ZL1 on delivery ...

So this happened at Willow Springs, correct? If so, I am really confused about the numbers.

[mdmoore23]

That video was a load of b.s. The Shelby loses to the ZL1 in every performance category. And it costs more, and that's before we start tacking on the ridiculous markups. Those 2 are idiots. I think Randy was more find of the ZL1. Yet these two clowns select a winner off an exhaust note. Clowns like this are why the R is so hard to get at msrp. They hop online and act like schoolgirls hyping the car just because it's got a "Ferrari" crankshaft. Lieberman actually agrees with the markups. Ridiculous!

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

But you have to remember that the 1LE was almost 3 seconds behind the R at Laguna Seca last year in BDC, so all that kinda depends on the strengths of different cars on different tracks. I am VERY impressed that the 1LE matched the R's time at Willow but at the end of the day the comparison should be with the non-R!!!

It was 1.66 second difference, which is still big, but not quite 3 seconds. Yes, the GT350R has a large advantage in HP over the SS 1LE, so it stands to reason that on a track with longer and more straights, the higher HP car has a bigger advantage than at a shorter more technical track. But I didn't ever think of big willow as a short technical track, but then again, I have never driven it so....

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

How can Probst be 1.74 sec slower then he did in the zl1 back in December video at Willow springs? look at both footages and can clearly see he wasn't pushing the zl1 like he did before.

Track conditions I bet. You start comparing times made months apart and you increase the variances. Though that does seem like a big difference on this this track.

Originally Posted by shaffe

what track did they do the test on? I am surprised the gap wasn't bigger. I was expecting the ZL1 to really out run the 350R.

Weight difference coming into play. But those tires on the R are definitely some equalizers as well.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Track conditions I bet. You start comparing times made months apart and you increase the variances. Though that does seem like a big difference on this this track.



Weight difference coming into play. But those tires on the R are definitely some equalizers as well.

True to a point. 1.74 sec is huge on a small track. Probst has driven same cars on different days and times are within hundredths of a sec, not almost 2 sec.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

That video was a load of b.s. The Shelby loses to the ZL1 in every performance category. And it costs more, and that's before we start tacking on the ridiculous markups. Those 2 are idiots. I think Randy was more find of the ZL1. Yet these two clowns select a winner off an exhaust note. Clowns like this are why the R is so hard to get at msrp. They hop online and act like schoolgirls hyping the car just because it's got a "Ferrari" crankshaft. Lieberman actually agrees with the markups. Ridiculous!

Keep in mind, they are crowning a "subjective" winner based off of feel and intangibles. A year or two ago, the Miata came in 3rd in the best driver's car competition. Which seems to be deserved. Look at how many Miata clubs there are and how many are on road courses every week. Things don't always have to be the fastest in the metrics to make someone enjoy driving the car.

But, where I disagree with Motortrend is they liked the harshness of the GT350R on the road. I'm not a big fan of that. I prefer cars that have a smoother ride when I'm on the road. It used to be that you could only have one or the other (planted on track or smooth on the road), but with the ZL1 (and the SS with MRC), you can have both. For me, this is why I would pick the ZL1 as the best car overall, even though I may like to drive the GT350R on a road course more (I prefer N/A power).

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

True to a point. 1.74 sec is huge on a small track. Probst has driven same cars on different days and times are within hundredths of a sec, not almost 2 sec.

Agreed, it is a large difference on a small track. Too bad the R had not ran on this track before.

[unavailablezl1]

Ok, help me out here. what tracks are we looking at. I am unfamiliar with the different names people use.
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http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs

Camaro SS 1LE Packa.. 1:28.29

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http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow...eets-of-willow

Camaro 1LE Package 1:22.70

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Ok, help me out here. what tracks are we looking at. I am unfamiliar with the different names people use.
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http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs

Camaro SS 1LE Packa.. 1:28.29

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http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow...eets-of-willow

Camaro 1LE Package 1:22.70

That second one is the 5th gen 1LE I believe. They ran the 6th gen SS on that track and I remember the 1LE was a bit quicker still.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

How can Probst be 1.74 sec slower then he did in the zl1 back in December video at Willow springs? look at both footages and can clearly see he wasn't pushing the zl1 like he did before.

This is exactly why I have been a big proponent of using the same drivers on the same day. This is not a new phenomenon here.

Randy Pobst set a track record (128.65) at Laguna Seca in November of 2015 using a 2016 Viper ACR. Last year during the Motortrend best drivers car competition (nearly a year later), he posted a 131.58 (2.93 seconds slower). Track temps, tire temps, tire conditions all have a factor….as does how much mojo the driver has that day.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

That second one is the 5th gen 1LE I believe. They ran the 6th gen SS on that track and I remember the 1LE was a bit quicker still.

Which of these tracks was used yesterday

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Which of these tracks was used yesterday

If Big Willow, it's the top one. I can't see the video so just going from what's been posted here. The 2nd one is Streets of Willow.

[irmb]

Originally Posted by catdog

I watched the whole thing again and I think they were heavily biased towards the GT350R, the better comparison would be with ZL1-1LE which like the R has stiffer ride and is no-compromise track car.

As set up currently the ZL1 competes with the GT350 and trounces it; the ZL1 has massive torque and though engine doesn't sound as sexy, has a pretty basa$$ sound of its own and great power delivery making it all around the better car for every day performance including daily driving.

They are in the entertainment business and I think they both were talking out of the side of their mouth and this review was not consistent with their earlier effusive review of the ZL1 from a couple of months ago.

Both great cars, the ZL1 gives effortless amazing performance all around in relative comfort ...

I think the comparison was apt - just their results were skewed. The Camaro beat the ford in every objective measure.