[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by h777

GT350R had no backseat.

My point was, if there was a ZL1 with no A/C and hoses and fittings, etc. it would obviously be lighter in the front also. I am sure that is coming. Then it will be a true comparison when the replacement for the Z28 comes out.

I mean Chevy already has the "Z28 type" motor, I am sure when it does come, it will be with even more power.

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

Remember that we have yet to see an actual h2h of the SS 1LE versus the regular GT350. Why is this? Is it Ford or is it Motor Trend? But you can bet your lunch money that we will see a ZL1 1LE versus the GT350R in a couple of months time frame. Gotta sell more subscribers on the channel and push more magazines.

They aren't going to sell anything, to me at least, will ridiculously subjective review criteria like what was just posted.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Infern0

They aren't going to sell anything, to me at least, will ridiculously subjective review criteria like what was just posted.

+1. Also, why would I pay when I can see it for free later. It is the same thing paying for cable TV. I refuse to pay for TV.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by catdog

GT350R won because of sound, feel, and specialness...

Sound: I'd definitely agree. That 5.2 FPC sounds amazing, especially compared to a S/C motor.

Feel: Well I'm guessing here ride quality was not a factor. So a purpose built track variant vs what is more of a GT cruiser. So not surprising there.

Specialness: Mostly motor here, but that specialness comes at a price. I'm sure there is at least a $20K difference with ADM. That's a lot of money for a subjective category that a average person on the street won't appreciate it. Even more so for a car that's true home is on the track, and spends most of its time in the garage.

So what this really tells us is that a GT cruiser that is at home on the strip, track, and around town is faster than the best handling Mustang to date. A Mustang which is not very good at the strip or around town because it was built solely to beat other track focused cars. So you can pay more for specialness, the 5.2 and be slower (albeit a small gap), or pay less, have a better car for actually driving and be faster on the track.

[catdog]

I watched the whole thing again and I think they were heavily biased towards the GT350R, the better comparison would be with ZL1-1LE which like the R has stiffer ride and is no-compromise track car.

As set up currently the ZL1 competes with the GT350 and trounces it; the ZL1 has massive torque and though engine doesn't sound as sexy, has a pretty basa$$ sound of its own and great power delivery making it all around the better car for every day performance including daily driving.

They are in the entertainment business and I think they both were talking out of the side of their mouth and this review was not consistent with their earlier effusive review of the ZL1 from a couple of months ago.

Both great cars, the ZL1 gives effortless amazing performance all around in relative comfort ...

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

Remember that we have yet to see an actual h2h of the SS 1LE versus the regular GT350. Why is this? Is it Ford or is it Motor Trend? But you can bet your lunch money that we will see a ZL1 1LE versus the GT350R in a couple of months time frame. Gotta sell more subscribers on the channel and push more magazines.

When they posted the lap times, I noticed that the SS 1LE had the exact same time as the GT350R. So, I am guessing that it goes without saying that the SS 1LE would beat the non-R GT350 on this track. I expected it to be close, but close to the non-R GT350, not tied with the GT350R!

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

Remember that we have yet to see an actual h2h of the SS 1LE versus the regular GT350. Why is this? Is it Ford or is it Motor Trend? But you can bet your lunch money that we will see a ZL1 1LE versus the GT350R in a couple of months time frame. Gotta sell more subscribers on the channel and push more magazines.

Seriously can we just get the SS 1LE vs. GT350 H2H already?!?! haha PLEASE!!!

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Sound: I'd definitely agree. That 5.2 FPC sounds amazing, especially compared to a S/C motor.

Feel: Well I'm guessing here ride quality was not a factor. So a purpose built track variant vs what is more of a GT cruiser. So not surprising there.

Specialness: Mostly motor here, but that specialness comes at a price. I'm sure there is at least a $20K difference with ADM. That's a lot of money for a subjective category that a average person on the street won't appreciate it. Even more so for a car that's true home is on the track, and spends most of its time in the garage.

So what this really tells us is that a GT cruiser that is at home on the strip, track, and around town is faster than the best handling Mustang to date. A Mustang which is not very good at the strip or around town because it was built solely to beat other track focused cars. So you can pay more for specialness, the 5.2 and be slower (albeit a small gap), or pay less, have a better car for actually driving and be faster on the track.

+7

For every GT350R I have run across before and after I bought my GT350 were $30k ADM and still that way. I dislike when I see the price comparison, "For only $69,999, you can get a GT350R". BS. Get you head out of the sand.

Plus the motor and car has had so many troubles, I would not want it.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Sound:...
So what this really tells us is that a GT cruiser that is at home on the strip, track, and around town is faster than the best handling Mustang to date. A Mustang which is not very good at the strip or around town because it was built solely to beat other track focused cars. So you can pay more for specialness, the 5.2 and be slower (albeit a small gap), or pay less, have a better car for actually driving and be faster on the track.

This is the story IMO and what makes the ZL1 special. It is a GT that is on par with the GT350R on the track and the Hellcat on the strip.

[ELS1]

Saw it, lots of subjective opinions, wish they did more tests. However, the numbers did all the talking.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

Seriously can we just get the SS 1LE vs. GT350 H2H already?!?! haha PLEASE!!!

I don't think they will at this point. The GT350R posted the same time as the SS 1LE in this video. What an accomplishment by the SS 1LE! Most of us were wondering how the SS 1LE would do against the non-R, but now that it tied the R, we all know the outcome against the non-R.

[shaffe]

what track did they do the test on? I am surprised the gap wasn't bigger. I was expecting the ZL1 to really out run the 350R.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

I don't think they will at this point. The GT350R posted the same time as the SS 1LE in this video. What an accomplishment by the SS 1LE! Most of us were wondering how the SS 1LE would do against the non-R, but now that it tied the R, we all know the outcome against the non-R.

How can Probst be 1.74 sec slower then he did in the zl1 back in December video at Willow springs? look at both footages and can clearly see he wasn't pushing the zl1 like he did before.

[FNxR3DNECK]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

I don't think they will at this point. The GT350R posted the same time as the SS 1LE in this video. What an accomplishment by the SS 1LE! Most of us were wondering how the SS 1LE would do against the non-R, but now that it tied the R, we all know the outcome against the non-R.

But you have to remember that the 1LE was almost 3 seconds behind the R at Laguna Seca last year in BDC, so all that kinda depends on the strengths of different cars on different tracks. I am VERY impressed that the 1LE matched the R's time at Willow but at the end of the day the comparison should be with the non-R!!!