[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by 1slowssm6

its on vmp performance facebook page,i cant link it while im at work.1.9 60ft best ive seen on a radial is a 1.8 so cant blame that,not sure on da was around+800-1000 depending on time of run from what i can see on a da calculator.really not impressive for me,this car needs the pp 3:55 gear to run 11's and it just barely managed that from lmr,anyone who orders a 3:15 car is gonna be disappointed,both 3:15 cars have been 12.3 and one was modded(beefcakes).

gears do not make that big a difference on coyote auto cars. i gained about .15 going from 3.15's to 4.10's

as for you not being impressed , thats a bit cheeky all things considered.

[Mazman]

12.17@116

https://youtu.be/C_QqrCiJXRU

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by ModernCamaroZ28Fan

Just realized SS 1LE can be $45,000 and $50,000, Yikes! Chevy needs to cut it. :|

WHAT?!?!?! You clearly have no idea what performance costs these days.

[tyler731]

Originally Posted by ModernCamaroZ28Fan

Just realized SS 1LE can be $45,000 and $50,000, Yikes! Chevy needs to cut it. :|

go look at new gt, i tried to order a 18 gt performance pack 2 couldnt get one for under 47k and that's with no premium.i ended up trading in my 15gtpp for a 18 1le about 40k out the door

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by tyler731

go look at new gt, i tried to order a 18 gt performance pack 2 couldnt get one for under 47k and that's with no premium.i ended up trading in my 15gtpp for a 18 1le about 40k out the door

I don't get it. camaro guys were celebrating just a few months ago about how camaro transaction prices were up compared to Mustang's and how happy they were to give the additional money to corporate GM stock holders.

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[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

I don't get it. camaro guys were celebrating just a few months ago about how camaro transaction prices were up compared to Mustang's and how happy they were to give the additional money to corporate GM stock holders.

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LOL, and weren't Mustang owners happy to pay huge ADMs for the Shelby? I guess they were all happy to just hand over $5,000-$25,000 for an underperforming car. Oh but performance doesn't matter right?

[Jastone]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

I don't get it. camaro guys were celebrating just a few months ago about how camaro transaction prices were up compared to Mustang's and how happy they were to give the additional money to corporate GM stock holders.

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I think the caveat here is people don’t mind paying the extra $$$ if the car is proven to perform ie 1le. The PP2 is still a mystery and it’s more expensive than a 1SS 1le. Will extra $$$ be worth it? Time will tell, but history has proven the bang for the buck with the 1le

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

I don't get it. camaro guys were celebrating just a few months ago about how camaro transaction prices were up compared to Mustang's and how happy they were to give the additional money to corporate GM stock holders.

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Don't recall any celebrating, but many were encouraged that despite lower sales volume than the 5th gen, ATP was up meaning the Camaro is more profitable for GM (i.e. Not going to get cancelled again).

The real question is how much will the price bump for the Mustang hurt sales? Since we were told by the vocal minority that the Camaro's price was too high and it was hurting sales (despite the fact that 10-30+% of Mustangs sold each month are rentals compared to less than 5% of Camaros).

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Don't recall any celebrating, but many were encouraged that despite lower sales volume than the 5th gen, ATP was up meaning the Camaro is more profitable for GM (i.e. Not going to get cancelled again).

The real question is how much will the price bump for the Mustang hurt sales? Since we were told by the vocal minority that the Camaro's price was too high and it was hurting sales (despite the fact that 10-30+% of Mustangs sold each month are rentals compared to less than 5% of Camaros).

Price bump, plus the refreshed looks, plus if the performance is still not comparable to the SS. All of this could mean the sales might take a bit of a dip. A lot of sales were due to people being able to get them very cheap.

[1slowssm6]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

gears do not make that big a difference on coyote auto cars. i gained about .15 going from 3.15's to 4.10's

as for you not being impressed , thats a bit cheeky all things considered.

gears dont make a big difference in them....meanwhile both 3:15 geared cars went 12.3 on radials and the only one to run 12.0/11.9 on stock tires/radials had 3:55 gears.wasnt tryna be cheeky theres nothing to be impressed with here,if ford had run circles around chevy with this car 11.6ish 1/4 etc it wouldve pushed chevy,as of right now ford just caught the ss,no reason for chevy to bump power,add the a10,or anything else for that matter,except for the visual changes.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by 1slowssm6

gears dont make a big difference in them....meanwhile both 3:15 geared cars went 12.3 on radials and the only one to run 12.0/11.9 on stock tires/radials had 3:55 gears.wasnt tryna be cheeky theres nothing to be impressed with here,if ford had run circles around chevy with this car 11.6ish 1/4 etc it wouldve pushed chevy,as of right now ford just caught the ss,no reason for chevy to bump power,add the a10,or anything else for that matter,except for the visual changes.

If you want to use a sample size of 4 cars driven by different drivers at different tracks in different atmospheric conditions as proof that you need 3.55's to go x time be my guest. I will reference the data that i acquired from racing my car as well as the experiences of many others all the way back to 2011. The A6 cars had less low rpm torque as well as a numerically lower 1st gear and wider gear spacing and saw minimal gains from ring and pinion swaps. No reason the A10 cars should see more benefit from gears

[doc7000]

I think most people fully expected the Mustang GT with 10 speed to be comparable to the Camaro SS 8 speed car as far as acceleration goes. On the fast list on this site you have 4 Camaro SS 8 speeds that have run sub 12 second 1/4mile times so that part is what was expected. The real question comes down to 6 speed manual car vs 6 speed manual car, based on the numbers I expect those two also be similar though time will tell.

[ninetres]

Originally Posted by Mazman

12.17@116

https://youtu.be/C_QqrCiJXRU

Dang. Barking gears with the auto? Interesting. Haven’t had my ZL1 on the track but it doesn’t seem like it would do that the way it shifts.

Impressive pass!

[tyler731]

Originally Posted by Jastone

I think the caveat here is people don’t mind paying the extra $$$ if the car is proven to perform ie 1le. The PP2 is still a mystery and it’s more expensive than a 1SS 1le. Will extra $$$ be worth it? Time will tell, but history has proven the bang for the buck with the 1le

this. part of the reason why, i went with the 1le, plus for the price difference between the two even if the pp2 is better on a track i can build up the camaro