[ChicagoTommy]

Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH

I'll be happy with 400whp honestly. But that won't be til i get the car paid off looking to hover around 330 to 340whp for awhile. I think ChicagoTommy is correct and several of us on here don't mince words and don't always agree with each other but a reliable 500whp LTG is just something i have a hard time grasping even myself. There's a lot to be said about us wether we chose the I4 because we wanted to build something from less or because it's what we could afford. There's really been way to much BS information and claims made with how things work and what to expect and I'm no stranger to disagreeing with ChicagoTommy or not always having all my information straight but when both of us say something we atleast show you actual numbers and research. Not heresay crap like what caused my most recent tirade when someone said bolt-ons without a tune do nothing but no actual proof was given just heresay without examples. There's been to much of that nonesense lately without any actual proof and it's getting way more toxic as a result.

Come on man... I've given you my take on things in PM's. Both of you need to drop it. Could one of you please be the bigger man? Follow my example. I buried our shit forever ago. Do you see me bringing it up anymore? Nope.

You and Coop are both DAILY posters and very actively involved. I'd really like to see that continue and move forward. We need to band together to face common enemies, not one another. So like I said, if I can do it, so can BOTH of you!

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by cooper1965

You preach of Toxic "Heresy" , yet encourage the mass to run around with full bolt-ons, un-tuned.. What about the guy's living in Canada? How about the guy's in Hawaii? Do you really believe your particular Dyno results apply to every example of a modified camaro on this forum? The variables on dyno runs alone are staggering. LOL.

Never said dynos in other areas would be the same, never preached they have to run without a tune in fact if they went catless I've always said a tune is a good idea because of overspooling risks. it's not a requirement if you go catted with basic bolt-ons we both know that your a smart guy you know anyone doing mods knows any mods tuned or untuned can cause issues so are we done or will this circle jerk continue?

[vaspen]

Ill be a bigger person on this I'm sorry to anyone I offended on this thread hatchet? ... buried? We good ?

So even if its not a reliable steup I'd still like to see how we could achieve these goals first step is to even get there then figure out the weak points when it breaks

[Ashium]

Originally Posted by vaspen

Ill be a bigger person on this I'm sorry to anyone I offended on this thread hatchet? ... buried? We good ?

So even if its not a reliable steup I'd still like to see how we could achieve these goals first step is to even get there then figure out the weak points when it breaks

Build the motor with Pistons and rods. Find a shop that has a fabricator, drop off your car for a few weeks to months, have them build you a manifold for a bigger turbo, downpipe for said turbo, a nice front mount setup. Take it to a dyno with a good tuner, slowly keep cranking it up. See what you make, before fueling is an issue.

Probably run you close to 10k in parts fab and some dyno time. At least thats how my friends and I have been doing things since the 90’s.

[Gutling]

I keep seeing that mitsubishi turbo at sema pop up, I think it is scheduled for Jan 2018. It supposed to be good for 450hp and I think is supposed to be a direct bolt on.

[rorymick]

Can mods please ban THE SAME DAMN FORUM MEMBERS WHO SHOW UP IN EVERY BICKER OR ARGUMENT OR NAME CALLING CONVERSATION?!

Im sick of this. I open up a damn thread and have to read all kinds of nonsense to get to a decent conversation about Camaros.

[Ashium]

Originally Posted by rorymick

Can mods please ban THE SAME DAMN FORUM MEMBERS WHO SHOW UP IN EVERY BICKER OR ARGUMENT OR NAME CALLING CONVERSATION?!

Im sick of this. I open up a damn thread and have to read all kinds of nonsense to get to a decent conversation about Camaros.

Just block them

[laurenwright3]

Amen to “90s formula” lol , nothing like the adrenaline you get when your cars on the dyno and you know your pushing the limits .

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by Ashiu

Just block them

Unfortunately that feature is pretty well broken all you can do is ignore it's not a true block...

Anyway seeing we're talking about forged internals why not just throw a 100 shot of NoS in there because how often will we really use that 450 to 500whp off the track?

[Ashium]

Originally Posted by Evil-Bee-NH

Unfortunately that feature is pretty well broken all you can do is ignore it's not a true block...

Anyway seeing we're talking about forged internals why not just throw a 100 shot of NoS in there because how often will we really use that 450 to 500whp off the track?

Need more ring gap....

[vaspen]

Ashiu
Haven't personally made a set but I know a family member (dearest ole dad) can make manifolds but he absolutely hates it he made a set for a 383 in a 240 z (older style) he said never again lol I'm sure some cheese and dear meet will pruesway him haha

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by Ashiu

Need more ring gap....

So as I'm not mechanically inclined to a great degree what would be the best way to get more ring gap and keep in mind I'd get forged rods and pistons if i did NoS so i understand you need to file/shave the piston ring for a bigger gap but that's where my knowledge ends. I guess my real question would be are there forged pistons with high enough quality rings to do this.

[Ashium]

Yes, in reality you are talking a hair(s) difference. Too tight, bye bye motor, too loose you might might burn oil or have excessive blow by.

Anyways this question is better answered by a builder, since they will have more trial and error to fall back on. However for starters most manufacturers give you a minimum spec per application. This is typically in the .004 to .007 X bore, range. Stock bore is 86mm I believe. 86 mm is 3.3858 inch. Say you went with the larger of the minimum 3.3858 X .0070 = 0.0237 top ring gap. I don’t know what the stock top gap is, but I would guess it’s about 1/2 or less then the 0.0237

I know that doesn’t really answer your question. Ask 10 builders you might get 10 different answers. You should discuss it with them and the manufacturer.

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by Ashiu

Yes, in reality you are talking a hair(s) difference. Too tight, bye bye motor, too loose you might might burn oil or have excessive blow by.

Anyways this question is better answered by a builder, since they will have more trial and error to fall back on. However for starters most manufacturers give you a minimum spec per application. This is typically in the .004 to .007 X bore, range. Stock bore is 86mm I believe. 86 mm is 3.3858 inch. Say you went with the larger of the minimum 3.3858 X .0070 = 0.0237 top ring gap. I don’t know what the stock top gap is, but I would guess it’s about 1/2 or less then the 0.0237

I know that doesn’t really answer your question. Ask 10 builders you might get 10 different answers. You should discuss it with them and the manufacturer.

Cool thanx, maybe i'll wait for someone who's done a little engine breaking to chime in I know Jason's been working on some cool stuff and has messed with an engine. Outside of that I spose calling CP or JE would be the next step.