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Old 10-26-2017, 09:37 AM   #15
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I have owned both the ZL1 1LE and now the standard ZL1. I'll echo the comments made here and add that unless it is a dedicated track car only with almost zero street duty, I personally prefer the standard ZL1.

The ride on the 1LE is frankly bonkers stiff for a street car, and even on smooth roads here in Austin very taxing. I'm a track rat too, and I still wouldn't go with the 1LE unless it was a dedicated track car... but then again if you are doing that there are better options (radical, wolf, formula mazda, etc.) A 300 mile trip in my ZL1 was no problem, but you couldn't pay me to drive a ZL1 1LE that far on the broken roads I drove on. My spine would be in a different location.

My .02 of course. I'm personally more impressed with the standard ZL1 as it is much more well rounded while still very fast.
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Old 10-26-2017, 12:06 PM   #16
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For some, the bolt-on approach would work just fine. For me, not so much.

When it comes to cars I have a little bit of OCD. Even with every 1LE bolt-on, it still won't be a ZL1 1LE because GM doesn't make the software available. So the PTM coefficients are going to be wrong, the speedometer is going to be off, etc. (Of course the speedometer can be corrected with a tune, but that'd void the powertrain warranty.) Not to mention some 1LE features like the transmission gearing and lighter weight rear glass aren't practical to swap. I'd also need painted parts like the reinforced '18 trunk lid and front fascia. I'm betting I'd always see a slight difference in the paint, which would drive me nuts.

In terms of dollars, swapping aero, tires, and wheels only would probably make sense if GM would offer the 1LE software. I'd seriously consider it, but I'd probably still prefer having a genuine 1LE.

Thanks again for your input. The wing blocking the driver's view behind the car is something I hadn't thought of. It's certainly good to know these things beforehand.
I understand completely.

(And I discovered the wing was at the perfect height - for where I sit - to block out tractor-trailer headlights at night! )
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Old 10-26-2017, 01:21 PM   #17
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Whichever way you decide to go be sure to keep us updated on the eSLD wheel slip investigation.
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Old 10-26-2017, 02:02 PM   #18
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*I'd also need painted parts like the reinforced '18 trunk lid and front fascia. I'm betting I'd always see a slight difference in the paint, which would drive me nuts.*

Did we ever figure out if there is really any difference in trunk lids?
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Old 10-26-2017, 04:01 PM   #19
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*I'd also need painted parts like the reinforced '18 trunk lid and front fascia. I'm betting I'd always see a slight difference in the paint, which would drive me nuts.*

Did we ever figure out if there is really any difference in trunk lids?
There is. GM actually published a bulletin about it.

#17-NA-310 - Information on ZL1 1LE High Wing Rear Spoiler Installed on non ZL1 1LE Models

Here's some text from the bulletin:

"The ZL1 1LE high wing rear spoiler uses the same mounting holes as vehicles equipped with a stanchion spoiler. Installation of the ZL1 1LE high wing rear spoiler requires internal reinforcement to the decklid due to the downforce the high wing provides. 2018 Camaro decklids are produced with the internal reinforcement. Addition of the ZL1 1LE high wing spoiler may cause the decklid to buckle on a 2016/2017 Camaro unless the decklid is replaced with a 2018 reinforced decklid."
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Old 10-26-2017, 04:03 PM   #20
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Whichever way you decide to go be sure to keep us updated on the eSLD wheel slip investigation.
I will.
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Old 10-26-2017, 06:32 PM   #21
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Just took delivery of my 2018 ZL1 1LE this past weekend. I had a 2017 ZL1 on order and missed the cut off. I only have a 150 miles on her and I couldn't be happier. The car is an animal. The ride is just fine for me. It's a toy and not a daily driver. I have an 09 Malibu for going back and forth to work. I think you would seriously enjoy everything about it. Good luck to you!
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Old 10-26-2017, 07:10 PM   #22
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Just took delivery of my 2018 ZL1 1LE this past weekend. I had a 2017 ZL1 on order and missed the cut off. I only have a 150 miles on her and I couldn't be happier. The car is an animal. The ride is just fine for me. It's a toy and not a daily driver. I have an 09 Malibu for going back and forth to work. I think you would seriously enjoy everything about it. Good luck to you!
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Old 10-26-2017, 09:31 PM   #23
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Life is short Travis... Follow your heart.

Thanks for your work on ELSD.
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Old 10-26-2017, 10:11 PM   #24
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My pleasure. I'll keep working the issue. I just sent another email to GM this evening in hopes of getting a status update.
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Old 10-26-2017, 11:07 PM   #25
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Hey Travis,

Live in MD, so if you need to feel the beast just send me a PM. Simply a perfect car
that is not from across the pond.

Have owned American and European autos, but this beast is special!
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:06 AM   #26
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I suppose you mean Track mode and then PTM race. That mode(s) is way stiffer than Sport to me.
i think you are correct. I may be mixing it up with the GT350 I had
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:10 AM   #27
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Do you ever set your mag ride to race and then think to yourself "the suspension is just way too soft on this car"? if so the 1LE may be the car for you.
GM should do you right and exchange it as you're the only one that has had the balls and tenacity to go up against them and solve the M6 Launch Limiter issue AND FIX IT.

If not, your wallet will bleed a little but LIKE THEY SAY;

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Old 10-27-2017, 12:33 AM   #28
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There is. GM actually published a bulletin about it.

#17-NA-310 - Information on ZL1 1LE High Wing Rear Spoiler Installed on non ZL1 1LE Models

Here's some text from the bulletin:

"The ZL1 1LE high wing rear spoiler uses the same mounting holes as vehicles equipped with a stanchion spoiler. Installation of the ZL1 1LE high wing rear spoiler requires internal reinforcement to the decklid due to the downforce the high wing provides. 2018 Camaro decklids are produced with the internal reinforcement. Addition of the ZL1 1LE high wing spoiler may cause the decklid to buckle on a 2016/2017 Camaro unless the decklid is replaced with a 2018 reinforced decklid."
Dang. Glad I saw this. Now I need to order a trunk lid. I certainly feel your pain. I really wish I had waited for the ZL1 1LE.
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