[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The best way to get a great deal on a GT is to wait for the rental car companies inventory turnover. Lots of low mile cars at low, low prices. From what I've read, most guys are going to use that great Mustang aftermarket to completely rebuilt it anyway.

That sounds like the best way to get a car that has been beat to death with little care. Never get anything that is former rental or lease.

As far as "completely rebuild it", I haven't rebuilt anything yet, don't plan to in the near future either, it's still in mostly stock and very reliable getting 22ish mpg on the highway with power to go around on crappy 93 oct, imagine the tears on E85 and a converter on still stock motor/trans/driveshaft/diff/axles/suspension..

[drew peacock]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Technically, I think ALL Mustangs are garbage...not just yours. And you are broke and a fanboy so that was just me calling it as I see it. And I never said I felt insulted. I don't care enough about Mustang people to ever feel insulted by anything they say. I said that you were throwing insults. But now you're an innocent little Mustang-victim. Here's the thing, nobody cares bro. The S197 was garbage. The S550 is garbage. The Shelby is a POS. And the 18 will be an overhyped expensive POS. It might be slightly faster than the current GT. But I'm not expecting anything thrilling from the Ford camp.

[drew peacock]

i mean who in their right minds will buy a car based on a car with soooo many problems.
the list of issues cropping up with the s550 is scary..

anyway the 5.0 coyote is a junk motor..weak as hell untill u wring it's neck..the 6.2 litre lt1 motor is so damn easy to drive..bags of lovely torque.
plus a pushrod motor is way easier to repair and tune..twin ohc ect is ok untill something goes wrong..then it's huge repair costs.

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by drew peacock

i mean who in their right minds will buy a car based on a car with soooo many problems.
the list of issues cropping up with the s550 is scary..

anyway the 5.0 coyote is a junk motor..weak as hell untill u wring it's neck..the 6.2 litre lt1 motor is so damn easy to drive..bags of lovely torque.
plus a pushrod motor is way easier to repair and tune..twin ohc ect is ok untill something goes wrong..then it's huge repair costs.

What is the cost to tune an LT1 camaro SS? Wondering because I haven't looked it up.

[drew peacock]

no idea but common sense tells u a simple pushrod motor has to be easier to work on

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by drew peacock

no idea but common sense tells u a simple pushrod motor has to be easier to work on

Ls motors were quite simple, lt motors not quite as easy. Cam swap on ls is considered by many a not so difficult job but on the lt is costs quite a bit. You never ready modded your mustangs to compare so you're assuming. My car has never been dyno tuned at over 600hp, all tuning done via a lap top/PC. Not saying the LT isn't as flexible, I just haven't looked into it enough. But is isn't as simple black and white as you say.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by drew peacock

i mean who in their right minds will buy a car based on a car with soooo many problems.
the list of issues cropping up with the s550 is scary..

anyway the 5.0 coyote is a junk motor..weak as hell untill u wring it's neck..the 6.2 litre lt1 motor is so damn easy to drive..bags of lovely torque.
plus a pushrod motor is way easier to repair and tune..twin ohc ect is ok untill something goes wrong..then it's huge repair costs.

what I get a kick out of is the fact that the LS3 really didnt have much of a torque advantage over the Coyote... even in the low end. 30-40ft/lbs is not the difference between "OMG this thing pulls like a freight train" and "gutless".

Now the LT1 has the benefit of DI which the gen3 Coyote will share so it will be interesting to see the disparity once the playing field is level. I suspect it will be in the same 30-40ft/lb range

[Sol4rfl4re]

LT1 455/455
Gen 3 coyote 460/420

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

LT1 455/455
Gen 3 coyote 460/420

But put more to the ground same dyno same day as a corvette rated at 460/465.

Is rated 5 hp less with superior exhaust manifold. Cater to the vette crowd

The Camaro lt1 is 460 hp minimum imo

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

what I get a kick out of is the fact that the LS3 really didnt have much of a torque advantage over the Coyote... even in the low end. 30-40ft/lbs is not the difference between "OMG this thing pulls like a freight train" and "gutless".

Now the LT1 has the benefit of DI which the gen3 Coyote will share so it will be interesting to see the disparity once the playing field is level. I suspect it will be in the same 30-40ft/lb range

40 ft/lb is a lot. 3 generations of Coyotes haven't gained 40 ft/lb yet. Maybe you don't notice it but I certainly did. It is less about the torque advantage and more about the weight, chassis, and suspension advantage though.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

40 ft/lb is a lot. 3 generations of Coyotes haven't gained 40 ft/lb yet. Maybe you don't notice it but I certainly did. It is less about the torque advantage and more about the weight, chassis, and suspension advantage though.

never will at 5.0 liters and you are right, there is far more to it than raw
torque in the equation. the extra torque is nice if you're lugging the motor, but there are just too many factors at play in determining maximum acceleration

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

Ls motors were quite simple, lt motors not quite as easy. Cam swap on ls is considered by many a not so difficult job but on the lt is costs quite a bit. You never ready modded your mustangs to compare so you're assuming. My car has never been dyno tuned at over 600hp, all tuning done via a lap top/PC. Not saying the LT isn't as flexible, I just haven't looked into it enough. But is isn't as simple black and white as you say.

Cam and heads are probably the best bet to get more power out of the LT engines. It's more complicated now than the LS engines with the DI. I've only had one LT engine but a tune only doesn't seem to add much.

[Sol4rfl4re]

coyote isnt about torque, its much like the honda motors, short stroke high revs. manifolds gain a decent amount on coyotes for this reason, you add 1000-1200rpms of powerband. If you're a bad driver on a manual coyote you will hate life because the more you let the revs drop between shifts the slower you go. Good drivers are quite successful on NA coyotes because of this reason.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

Look at him now trying to flash his money lmao. That's all that was left to be done,

First you said this

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

So sad that you have to bring the money you make into this conversation, must be the only thing you have to be proud of at your old age. God has been good to me and live a good life but I don't display it here for others to read about it as a last ditch effort to gain some brownie points. I'd say I felt sorry for you but I'd be lying, it's truly pitiful that you think you have some sort of higher social status than me.

Then you said this.

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

You know you didn't amount to anything in life when the excibit the pennies you've earned throughout a 20+ year work career. I don't have just a mustang, I have another vehicle that goes for 50-55k.

And again this is what you post

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

Lol ok. This is just because I enjoy responding to nonsense with facts... last 2 stubs..

And then you post paystubs and start bragging about your income. Hypocrite right on time. It'sa shame you think you make soo much money yet you're driving a Mustang that isn't even a current Gen and had to scrape to buy a garbage P1SC off someone and is still scraping to upgrade to a D1SC. We're not impressed.

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

I took the liberty to copy/paste some of your comments regarding the S550 on the mustang side of the word...don't edit them as I have the screenshots..

"i cannot find a single fault with these cars...
light years ahead of the s197 to drive...95% as good as any bmw or merc..
so damn fast and agile on the road...i can imagine mr D's supercharged s550 as jaw dropping to drive.
i will trade in every 2 years now for a brand new one."

"fully loaded car..
i lost 3 000 usd on my camaro over 2 years...nothing.yank cars really dont depreciate here.
this is why u should not spend money on ya car coz something new is always round the corner..u might aswell get your cash and burn it.
i spent NOTHING on my camaro...not a single dime.
wow look how damn beautiful these new mustangs are."

"i cannot find a single fault with these cars...
light years ahead of the s197 to drive...95% as good as any bmw or merc..
so damn fast and agile on the road...i can imagine mr D's supercharged s550 as jaw dropping to drive.
i will trade in every 2 years now for a brand new one."

"full custom pack with 6 piston brembo brakes...
i am as in iove with my new baby as i was my camaro...i said to myself as long as it drives as good as my 2013 camaro then i will be happy..it is slighty better so i'm over the moon."

"These new mustangs are superb"

"the interior is killer in these mustangs..way better than the camaro..the car does drive amazing..at last ford dropped that live axle joke.."

this dude is the definition of flavor of the day. Looks like blaqmole's favorite cheerleader just got discredited.

And you're soo quick to try to call someone else a "hypocrite". You Mustang boys really are all the same.