[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by hotlap

ya know. ...to fix it.

Oh yea, of course.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Torquem

It only needs those if you plan on doing it more than once

Best comment of the day!!

[62nalide]

New 5.0 looks great!

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by 62nalide

New 5.0 looks great!

You crazy? You can't stay stuff like that here!

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

You crazy? You can't stay stuff like that here!

Definitely Not! Only opinions allowed around here are positive ones about Camaros !

Truthfully I don't think the new Mustang looks that bad. I like the 15-17 better though

[BlaqWhole]

I think the 15-17 GT looks good. I haven't seen the 18s in person yet so I'll hold off on my opinion of them. I also think the GT350(R) looks good. And I think they are good cars if you buy one and leave it the hell alone except for small things like CAIs, catbacks, and such. But once you start modding it and making more power and hooking is when everything starts to go. Which sucks since it is a high 12 low 13 sec car. If it truly was a low 12 then that would be different.

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I think the 15-17 GT looks good. I haven't seen the 18s in person yet so I'll hold off on my opinion of them. I also think the GT350(R) looks good. And I think they are good cars if you buy one and leave it the hell alone except for small things like CAIs, catbacks, and such. But once you start modding it and making more power and hooking is when everything starts to go. Which sucks since it is a high 12 low 13 sec car. If it truly was a low 12 then that would be different.

lol at you for thinking these cars fall apart after intake and catback. I don't think I've came across anyone recently who knows so little but speaks as he knows a lot.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

lol at you for thinking these cars fall apart after intake and catback. I don't think I've came across anyone recently who knows so little but speaks as he knows a lot.

If you read my comment before you opened your mouth you would have seen that I said the car is fine if all you do is a catback, intake and tune. Funny how you do all this talking defending Mustangs and I probably owned more Stangs and modded more of them than you have.

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If you read my comment before you opened your mouth you would have seen that I said the car is fine if all you do is a catback, intake and tune. Funny how you do all this talking defending Mustangs and I probably owned more Stangs and modded more of them than you have.

you said "intake, catback and such". Which is wrong. It can put the power down well with a tire just like any other modern pony car. Quite a few gen 2 coyotes and voodoos living a happy life on stock motors at 800+.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

you said "intake, catback and such". Which is wrong. It can put the power down well with a tire just like any other modern pony car. Quite a few gen 2 coyotes and voodoos living a happy life on stock motors at 800+.

I disagree with "put the power down well with a tire". I have never owned the auto Mustang but did have a manual one and the wheel hop got worse the better the tires I put on were. With different halfshafts and some suspension mods sure it will put power down very well but in stock form.....yikes.

I am much more interested in the suspension changes and torque control changes on the 3rd gen Coyote with PP and PP2 than I am anything else. 25hp and 20ft pounds increase in the 5.0 is great and all but the real weakness of the s550 is in the chassis, suspension, and factory tune.

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I disagree with "put the power down well with a tire". I have never owned the auto Mustang but did have a manual one and the wheel hop got worse the better the tires I put on were. With different halfshafts and some suspension mods sure it will put power down very well but in stock form.....yikes.

I am much more interested in the suspension changes and torque control changes on the 3rd gen Coyote with PP and PP2 than I am anything else. 25hp and 20ft pounds increase in the 5.0 is great and all but the real weakness of the s550 is in the chassis, suspension, and factory tune.

Wheelhop isnt a mustang problem, its an IRS problem. You give up some on the straightline to gain maneuvering capabilities. I was pretty specific, I said "with a tire". Put a bias ply tire on a manual and launch it accordinly and the car will be as predictable and consistent as your shifting allows it to be. Suspension wise...a $150 cradle lockout kit is nice to have but not mandatory. An auto....put any tire under it and it will hook and be very consistent. The bias ply does well for shock absortion on the manual, way better than standard drag radial. Many people going well into the 10s with stock driveshafts and halfshafts, especially true with autos.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

Wheelhop isnt a mustang problem, its an IRS problem. You give up some on the straightline to gain maneuvering capabilities. I was pretty specific, I said "with a tire". Put a bias ply tire on a manual and launch it accordinly and the car will be as predictable and consistent as your shifting allows it to be. Suspension wise...a $150 cradle lockout kit is nice to have but not mandatory. An auto....put any tire under it and it will hook and be very consistent. The bias ply does well for shock absortion on the manual, way better than standard drag radial. Many people going well into the 10s with stock driveshafts and halfshafts, especially true with autos.

You have never driven a gen 6 camaro have you? This 17 SS does not have the same wheel hop issues as the Mustang I had. Not even close. My 2015 PP Mustang had more wheel hop than my old 1995 F150 had and that thing had a lot. I have driven lots and lots of performance cars. None had wheel hop as bad as that '15 Mustang did.

Now maybe my 15 GT was a lemon. Maybe the factory put on 2 left side halfshafts or two right side halfshafts and made my back end oscillate like a tuning fork. Maybe my 17 SS is a unicorn with minimal wheel hop. Or, maybe I actually know what I am talking about and 1000s of others who switched this gen know what they are talking about. Yes in the aftermarket you can fix the wheel hop. And in the aftermarket you can fix the bad stock tune. And in the aftermarket you can fix the damn manual shifter bracket and all the other things that I never had to do on any other car ever.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Sol4rfl4re

Wheelhop isnt a mustang problem, its an IRS problem. You give up some on the straightline to gain maneuvering capabilities. I was pretty specific, I said "with a tire". Put a bias ply tire on a manual and launch it accordinly and the car will be as predictable and consistent as your shifting allows it to be. Suspension wise...a $150 cradle lockout kit is nice to have but not mandatory. An auto....put any tire under it and it will hook and be very consistent. The bias ply does well for shock absortion on the manual, way better than standard drag radial. Many people going well into the 10s with stock driveshafts and halfshafts, especially true with autos.

I can honestly say that wheel hop was not an issue with my 04 GTO, 13 ZL1 or my current 16 SS. I only ran stock tires though. No drag radials

[Sol4rfl4re]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

You have never driven a gen 6 camaro have you? This 17 SS does not have the same wheel hop issues as the Mustang I had. Not even close. My 2015 PP Mustang had more wheel hop than my old 1995 F150 had and that thing had a lot. I have driven lots and lots of performance cars. None had wheel hop as bad as that '15 Mustang did.

Now maybe my 15 GT was a lemon. Maybe the factory put on 2 left side halfshafts or two right side halfshafts and made my back end oscillate like a tuning fork. Maybe my 17 SS is a unicorn with minimal wheel hop. Or, maybe I actually know what I am talking about and 1000s of others who switched this gen know what they are talking about. Yes in the aftermarket you can fix the wheel hop. And in the aftermarket you can fix the bad stock tune. And in the aftermarket you can fix the damn manual shifter bracket and all the other things that I never had to do on any other car ever.

Sorry. You should've bought the auto.