[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by TheElementalCashew

Damn guys. No need to give fuel to the fire for all the people who want the ZL1 to be an overheating failure like the C7Z. Manual and auto, both are great cars for different preferred styles of driving. Damn.

Not giving anyone anything. I am simply getting more than tired of some people always sticking their nose in the automatic threads and exclaiming how much of a pile of crap the transmission is.

I have tracked my 10-speed Auto and it's been more than exemplary.

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by Mr. Meh

Not giving anyone anything. I am simply getting more than tired of some people always sticking their nose in the automatic threads and exclaiming how much of a pilot crap the transmission is.

How else is anyone supposed to know they're at least coordinated enough to perform the elementary task of driving a manual?

I mean, it's sort of the adulthood version of "I go to the bathroom all by myself!" . . . until you get really old anyway, and can't do either anymore, but I digress.

[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

How else is anyone supposed to know they're at least coordinated enough to perform the elementary task of driving a manual?

I mean, it's sort of the adulthood version of "I go to the bathroom all by myself!" . . . until you get really old anyway, and can't do either anymore, but I digress.

(aside) -- Are you ever out at any of the Super Car Saturday events?

[TheElementalCashew]

Originally Posted by Mr. Meh

Not giving anyone anything. I am simply getting more than tired of some people always sticking their nose in the automatic threads and exclaiming how much of a pile of crap the transmission is.

I have tracked my 10-speed Auto and it's been more than exemplary.

Understandably.

My post was directed at three of you that seem to always go back and forth on this. Though you mentioned you use the ignore button, good stuff.

[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by TheElementalCashew

Understandably.

My post was directed at three of you that seem to always go back and forth on this. Though you mentioned you use the ignore button, good stuff.

If the complaint was sourced from any sort of useful dataset, I'd not have an issue with it. However, it's nothing more than emotional bias based on a transmission preference and is in no way related to the C7 Z06 A8 cars that had statistically valid sample sizes to show a clear and consistent pattern of heating issues with that platform. It was also quite easily duplicated time and time again. That is an actual issue.

Now, if the commentary was just friendly jabs, it wouldn't be taken as insultingly as it is. But, that's not the case. It's consistently a chest beating I'm better than you attitude and it's gone on way longer than it should and quite frankly, I'm just sick of putting up with it. It's unneeded.

If there was a true heating issue with the car, we'd have seen it by now.

[TheElementalCashew]

Originally Posted by Mr. Meh

If the complaint was sourced from any sort of useful dataset, I'd not have an issue with it. However, it's nothing more than emotional bias based on a transmission preference and is in no way related to the C7 Z06 A8 cars that had statistically valid sample sizes to show a clear and consistent pattern of heating issues with that platform. It was also quite easily duplicated time and time again. That is an actual issue.

Now, if the commentary was just friendly jabs, it wouldn't be taken as insultingly as it is. But, that's not the case. It's consistently a chest beating I'm better than you attitude and it's gone on way longer than it should and quite frankly, I'm just sick of putting up with it. It's unneeded.

If there was a true heating issue with the car, we'd have seen it by now.

I'm 100% with you, everyone expected the ZL1 A10 to fail like the Z06 A8, and it hasn't in any measurable way. And notice the M6 transmission in my signature.

[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by TheElementalCashew

I'm 100% with you, everyone expected the ZL1 A10 to fail like the Z06 A8, and it hasn't in any measurable way. And notice the M6 transmission in my signature.

Yeah, we're good. Just trying to clarify my position on some of it.

I'd like to actually drive the manual version of the car to see how it compares. Just don't know anyone locally I can do that with. Only manuals I know are SS 1LEs.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

So the Transmission is overheating and not the engine here? No relation to the high heat of the engine transferring to the trans?

If the two were related I would make a case for GM to NEVER put such a tiny blower on and wind it up to compensate for the smaller size, in order to pass the previous 6.2L Supercharged GM engine (LS9 - 638 HP).

[BMWM.D.]

Originally Posted by Mr. Meh

If the complaint was sourced from any sort of useful dataset, I'd not have an issue with it. However, it's nothing more than emotional bias based on a transmission preference and is in no way related to the C7 Z06 A8 cars that had statistically valid sample sizes to show a clear and consistent pattern of heating issues with that platform. It was also quite easily duplicated time and time again. That is an actual issue.

Now, if the commentary was just friendly jabs, it wouldn't be taken as insultingly as it is. But, that's not the case. It's consistently a chest beating I'm better than you attitude and it's gone on way longer than it should and quite frankly, I'm just sick of putting up with it. It's unneeded.

If there was a true heating issue with the car, we'd have seen it by now.

Exactly. We've seen this complaint on what, 2 or 3 cars? One was concluded to be fluid level related. There's now a service bulletin or technical memo on the issue. I'm guessing this will be the same problem/fix. Either way, it's far from the epidemic some people want to imply it is.

[Sven59]

Sounds to me like the fluid level issue. It probably doesn't have much tolerance for not perfect levels.

[lmcgrew79]

My car was the one that Gm found the overfilled trans on. We flushed the system 2 times and made sure the fluid was at correct level. I took the car to summit point after and it ran fine it was around 80 degrees. I was just at Pittrace with my Viper and my wife drove up the zl1 A10 and i took it out for a few laps 3 times. Second time i went out i got 5 laps in then heard a very loud chime like the door chime. Screen said Transmission Overheated Idle Car, or something of that nature. Did a cool down lap and brought the car in. It was about 88 Degrees out and I can drive the car at its limit pretty easily. Im pretty disappointed that its over heating at 5 laps in at 88 degrees. Not sure what to do at this point as the A10 is a wonderful transmission. This problem isnt gonna happen on the street or in cooler weather on track. I think 85 degrees plus it starts becoming an issue if your running really hard, im guessing at 90-100 anyone could overheat it. Coolant temp was really good oil temp are really high as well.

[KaBoom1701]

Originally Posted by RealG

Could this be the reason you can't get the A10 with the 1Le package. They couldn't sell a track car with an overheating transmission so maybe they discovered that in testing.

[BMWM.D.]

What is it again GM claims they use for their engineering target? Like 80 or 82 degrees? It could be different for each model, but I thought it was around that for the C7.

[lmcgrew79]

Originally Posted by BMWM.D.

What is it again GM claims they use for their engineering target? Like 80 or 82 degrees? It could be different for each model, but I thought it was around that for the C7.

Not sure i think its 86 degrees, alot of cars was running hot this weekend, my viper acr was running hot 5-6 laps in as well as my buddies viper acr, 1 c7 z06 went into limp mode after 7 laps or so, and another c7z power steering kept locking up from overheating, and 2 friends with z28s was running really high oil temps, one got message after 15 mins in the other was getting to 305, but was ac delete car so probably cools slightly better he never got a warning. The morning sessions seemed to be fine, most of it was in the afternoon, it was hot around 88 degrees and sunny, so the temps off the track was probably well into the 100's by the afternoon. I try not to track as much in the summer as these temps are rough on cars, it was unusually hot this weekend for september.