[Infern0]

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

Like I said...Your mentioned version of "Stock" only applies to this forum. And like i said earlier, nowhere on this planet is an all-season tire considered a mod....except in this forum.

You seriously can't tell me that if you're at the track if someone asks if you if your car is stock, you're going to say No...it's modded...I have all-season tires.
You will get a lot of weird looks and people will think you're an idiot.

So you're aware of a place on this planet where changing something isn't changing something? This is black or white. On or off. One or zero. Very simple, stock or not.

If I was asked that question my response wouldn't be phrased like your statement ("no it's modded"), which implies you did something intentionally as a performance boost, but it isn't stock. It has been modded - which is only short for "modified" if you weren't aware. I'd simply say the only thing I've done is changed the tires for whatever reason.

I don't think anyone on here is claiming you have an unfair advantage with all-season tires. I really think this is coming down to the purity of the term, stock. Otherwise, how far do you let it go? How do you qualify which tires you still consider stock and which ones you don't? The definition as it comes from the plant makes it very easy to differentiate.

Finally, what if it does in fact net you .01 in your 1/4 times? Then, once 10+ people do that and post their times to the fast list, you've bumped all truly stock cars off the list. Still fair?

Just my two cents. Spend them wisely.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Dave runs 12s at 125 on an all season and 11.0 - 11.2 on summer tires at 126 in a 5th Gen ZL1?? Gotta a link to this info? That's faster than I've ever heard of one going even on a DR, but I haven't followed this forums lists or anything, just what I've seen at my local track running with us. I didn't think the 5th gen ZL1 could even trap that high as that's on par with the Gen6 ZL1.

EDITED: I thought I remembered him putting his times in his signature and went back and looked. While his runs are certainly impressive it is not 12s on all seasons and low 11s on summer tires, nor is the MPH in the mid 120s. This is how mis-information gets spread and is a real pet peeve of mine.

5/10ths and 5 MPH isn't "similar" by any means when talking drag strip times.

If he ran faster and just didn't update the signature let me know.

From Dave's sig:
'13 ZL1 BRM A6. 11.591 @ 119.2 factory stock with a 1.68 60'! Best stock mph 121.8. 11.29 @ 123 RotoFab, drag radials and skinnies. 4360# raceweight.

Pet peeves, huh? Maybe you ought to get out of the car and into the gym.

The quote was as follows verbatim:


"goes from a 12 second car at 125MPH on all seasons, to a low 11 second car at 126MPH on the summer tire option"


So the "low eleven seconds" to a mid eleven seconds gets your dander up? I did not quote 11.0, 11.1 or 11.2. You inserted that as if that is what I quoted. The HC still wins. I simply said it was close. It is a difference of 1/4 to a 1/2 second. Worlds in 1/4 mile race.

And that is not with optional upgrade tires, but the only way the Z came. But with $695 in options (HC upgrade) that would buy a lot for the Z to make it even steven.

[Blackdevil77]

If anybody on here is near ATCO and wants to get a stock 10 second pass in, I have just the opportunity for you to do it. A local car club I'm friendly with is hosting a track rental at ATCO on October 6th, 8am to 4pm. Both lanes, full prep. With the crisp, fall air combined with ATCO, a 10 second pass should be a sure thing. It's $200 a car, unlimited runs. You can probably get 50 runs in if you really wanted to lol.

If anybody is interested or has any questions, let me know.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Infern0

So you're aware of a place on this planet where changing something isn't changing something? This is black or white. On or off. One or zero. Very simple, stock or not.

If I was asked that question my response wouldn't be phrased like your statement ("no it's modded"), which implies you did something intentionally as a performance boost, but it isn't stock. It has been modded - which is only short for "modified" if you weren't aware. I'd simply say the only thing I've done is changed the tires for whatever reason.

I don't think anyone on here is claiming you have an unfair advantage with all-season tires. I really think this is coming down to the purity of the term, stock. Otherwise, how far do you let it go? How do you qualify which tires you still consider stock and which ones you don't? The definition as it comes from the plant makes it very easy to differentiate.

Finally, what if it does in fact net you .01 in your 1/4 times? Then, once 10+ people do that and post their times to the fast list, you've bumped all truly stock cars off the list. Still fair?

Just my two cents. Spend them wisely.

By this standard if you replace the original tires with other serial numbered tires thatn what the car came with it is no longer stock. I'd guess thst few (very few) with this argument have never been on a drag strip in their life. It's not rocket science, it's fact. It's common sense otherwise just stay home.

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

By this standard if you replace the original tires with other serial numbered tires thatn what the car came with it is no longer stock. I'd guess thst few (very few) with this argument have never been on a drag strip in their life. It's not rocket science, it's fact. It's common sense otherwise just stay home.

Lol not really. The serial range of those used in the manufacturing plant would be considered stock. I know you get it, no matter how hard you wanna fight it.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

Thanks! I definitely want to make it over there again once it cools down some more. Especially if the track prep is going to be as good as it was the last time. My dad wants to go again this fall as well, so we'll see if we can get our buddies I mentioned to bring their rides too.

I ran my car again last Friday night at my local track and couldn't hook at all. Spinning all the way through 1st and 2nd gears. 60' in the 1.8 and 1.9 range. Still ran 11.4s except the last pass where I launched way too soft, just trying anything to stop the wheelspin. I'd probably been better off to run with traction control than launching that soft, or just letting it spin again. My local track's trap timers are apparently off as well. I'll post those videos soon so you can see what I'm talking about. If I pause the video as the front of my car gets to each timing line and take the average of those 2 speeds, the 1/8 matches up nearly perfect at London and Bowling Green both, but at the 1/4 the timeslip reads 3 to 4 mph less at London and only 1 mph less at Bowling Green. I can see my speedo reading 1 mph higher at that speed since I'm running lower air pressure, so I feel BG is right and London is not. My first pass in the left lane at London, my speedo was showing 127 and 129 at the timing lines (just like my 11.19 @ 127 at BG), which would average out to a 128, and would be a 127 if you subtract 1 mph for low air, but the slip shows 123.6. I immediately ran a second time, picking up my boy, and the speedo was showing 1 mph less at the lines (126 and 128), but the slip shows a faster speed of 124.2. Needless to say, I ran the right lane the rest of the night. Lol!

So matching up my runs with the same speedo readings at the 2 tracks, London's left lane is 3.7 mph lower and the right lane is 1.4 mph lower than Bowling Green. I only ran the left lane at BG last time, so maybe I'll run both next time to see if there's a difference there too, or if both lanes read about the same like they should.

Finally loaded the video of the passes at London I'm referring to above if anyone wants to check it out. https://youtu.be/OXQiCQdQuH4

I'm likely going to be heading back to Bowling Green next Saturday for LS Fest. Hopefully the temps will be down again like this weekend and the track prep will be good again. Maybe I can get the Z to go even faster than at Street Car Takeover. Plus Cleetus said he's bringing Leroy the Savage! If you don't know what Leroy is, do a search on youtube. Hopefully he has his limp mode issue figured out by then. If so, he'll run a heck of a time with a good launch.

[S.T.A.R.]

Wow, crappy 60' times and a little passenger as well...still running 11.40's.

So, picking up .2 on the launch and .1 less the passenger... 11.1

[Blackdevil77]

Just looking for a suggestion, where would be a good place to post about the ATCO track rental I posted about above where a bunch of East Coast ZL1 owners will see it? I'd love to get some ZL1's over there and hopefully get to witness a stock 10 second pass or several in person.

[S.T.A.R.]

With Sept/Oct here, 10's are going to happen more frequently now for you A10 folks.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by S.T.A.R.

Wow, crappy 60' times and a little passenger as well...still running 11.40's.

So, picking up .2 on the launch and .1 less the passenger... 11.1

Yeah. 11.19 has been my best so far without a passenger and only .1 better 60'. If I can knock another. 1 off of the 60 and get a little better air, I'll be in the 10s.

[Speedy1975]

Im going to try to hit LSFest next weekend. If I can amke it Ill PM so we can sync up.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Im going to try to hit LSFest next weekend. If I can amke it Ill PM so we can sync up.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

Pet peeves, huh? Maybe you ought to get out of the car and into the gym.

The quote was as follows verbatim:


"goes from a 12 second car at 125MPH on all seasons, to a low 11 second car at 126MPH on the summer tire option"


So the "low eleven seconds" to a mid eleven seconds gets your dander up? I did not quote 11.0, 11.1 or 11.2. You inserted that as if that is what I quoted. The HC still wins. I simply said it was close. It is a difference of 1/4 to a 1/2 second. Worlds in 1/4 mile race.

And that is not with optional upgrade tires, but the only way the Z came. But with $695 in options (HC upgrade) that would buy a lot for the Z to make it even steven.

I hit the gym quite regularly, but not sure what that has to do with the price of race gas in Bowling Green.

I literally re-wrote this 5 times to not be so harsh, so if it comes across that way apologies, BUT

You're trying to say a Gen5 ZL1 is "close" to the quarter mile performance of a Hellcat, or a Gen6 ZL1 for that matter. A half a second and 5MPH difference isn't even in the same ball park when talking 1/4 mile times. Maybe go to the track a bit with your car and you'll start to get it instead of riding BigDave's coat tails with his times he achieved. He basically got almost 100% out of that car to achieve the times he has and that's NOT easy.

To put it in to perspective, to gain 5MPH in the quarter mile, you need 100+ more hp or have to lose 700+ pounds off the Gen5 ZL1 using 580hp and 4400 pounds as the base starting point.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I hit the gym quite regularly, but not sure what that has to do with the price of race gas in Bowling Green.

I literally re-wrote this 5 times to not be so harsh, so if it comes across that way apologies, BUT

You're trying to say a Gen5 ZL1 is "close" to the quarter mile performance of a Hellcat, or a Gen6 ZL1 for that matter. A half a second and 5MPH difference isn't even in the same ball park when talking 1/4 mile times. Maybe go to the track a bit with your car and you'll start to get it instead of riding BigDave's coat tails with his times he achieved. He basically got almost 100% out of that car to achieve the times he has and that's NOT easy.

To put it in to perspective, to gain 5MPH in the quarter mile, you need 100+ more hp or have to lose 700+ pounds off the Gen5 ZL1 using 580hp and 4400 pounds as the base starting point.

What it has to do with "the price of gas" is you really got your panties in a bunch. "Misinformation" and "pet peeves." Yet you then change your op from "low elevens" to "11.0..." That is misinformation. I took your op of "low elevens" to mean anywhere up to 11.39.

It is in that vein that I wrote Dave was not far off.

"Coattails" (is one word btw), "misinformation" "pet peeves" etc. are all ways to incite. Apparently you don't realize that. Or you don't care. Especially when you change your op from "low elevens" to "11.0..." That's wghat I took issue with.

I live 30 minutes from Road America and 40 minutes from Great Lakes Dragaway, so, don't worry about me: I have my fun.

This has been beaten to death. Perhaps...a little more precise wording, and not changing the op to suit your position would go along way in not arguing the minutia. I stand by what I posted: Dave regularly achieves mid elevens in his bone stock 5th gen Z...and that is close to low elevens.