[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by soloknight6

Well im pretty sure the MT cars would be lighter, but im not sure why chevy didnt use them. The lightest model weight is what they usually advertise. And yes, the alpha lives up to the hype its received, awesome chassis.

The reason Chevy probably never used the manual transmission numbers just because unfortunately manual seems to be the Dying Breed these days and probably wasn't going to have a whole lot of buyers in the first place.

A damn shame but it is what it is

[silstream]

I guess as the thread has evolved I can take some accountability and apologize for starting this in the first place but it's certainly helped me build a solid understanding of all the differences between the 3 engine variants.

Car forums tend to be read by people who have a passion for driving and love their cars. I'm sure that's true for most of us on here so let's acknowledge the shared passion for what is a great car in any guise and let go of fussy differences... I started this thread knowing most of us have mutual respect each others cars - just a few took it too far... If you really want an argument I'm sure there's a Mustang forum that would love to hear how much you love your Camaro! (honestly kidding - please don't!)

Thanks again all for the feedback. Happy to let the thread go and let's move on... be thankful you all have a Camaro while I'm still saving the pennies and several months away it seems from getting one...

[BIGG_FRANCO]

Originally Posted by silstream

I guess as the thread has evolved I can take some accountability and apologize for starting this in the first place but it's certainly helped me build a solid understanding of all the differences between the 3 engine variants.

Car forums tend to be read by people who have a passion for driving and love their cars. I'm sure that's true for most of us on here so let's acknowledge the shared passion for what is a great car in any guise and let go of fussy differences... I started this thread knowing most of us have mutual respect each others cars - just a few took it too far... If you really want an argument I'm sure there's a Mustang forum that would love to hear how much you love your Camaro! (honestly kidding - please don't!)

Thanks again all for the feedback. Happy to let the thread go and let's move on... be thankful you all have a Camaro while I'm still saving the pennies and several months away it seems from getting one...

Whatever you choose to buy will be a excellent choice all of the models are kick ass cars!


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[14Black1LESS]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

I would say at least 80 to 90% of guys do not mod their cars I'm a guy that does just do basic intakes and exhausts throttle bodies stuff like that but I'm not a guy that's going to be doing cams.

So for the guy that's not going to mod risky Justice the V6 is a damn fine automobile faster than 90% of the cars on the road and it is bulletproof reliable so far. Let's admit now to this car is no longer a muscle car is a sports car it handles crazy and the V6 with the NPP sounds like an exotic sports car I know you can't get that into your head risky exotic think about how cool that is to have a Camaro that sounds like an exotic

And let's not forget that the V6 is lighter in the front end in the V8 and I would go as far to say it is a better handling vehicle.

And I would also be man enough to say that the I-4 would be better handling in the V6. Weight matters in a vehicle

The reality is man the V8 is nice to have if you're some old guy that's going to keep it in the garage and brag but it's complete Overkill on the street as a daily driver.

That's a lot of normal guys that just bought the V8 to that are in here shaking their fingers at anybody who didnt buy one

So you are saying that only 10%-20% of people with Camaro's are the only ones that mod their cars?! If that was the case then there wouldn't be numerous aftermarket parts and vendors for them. I would say more like 50% mod their cars and the majority of them have V8's.

Again, a Camaro is NOT a sports car. It is a pony car. It may feel like a sports car to you but it's not. I have had sports cars and the Camaro does not feel like one, and yes that includes the 6th Gen. GM has definitely improved the handling of these cars but it's still far from a sports car. And fyi, a V6 does not sound like a V12. I will admit the V6 with NPP does sound good but it's no where close to a V12 sound.

If you want to compare the V6 1LE to a SS, then it might handle better but it will not out handle a 1LE SS. V6 to SS, both not having 1LE, the SS handles better. You need to compare apples to apples when adding suspension options. Weight is not the only factor when it comes to handling.

The reality is that not everyone's idea of practical is the same. My 1LE with 3.91 gears is my daily driver. I love it and wouldn't have it any other way. Is it practical for others, probably not but it is for me. There is nothing that I need to haul that won't fit in the car. I also live in Florida so I can drive it year round and not worry about snow. Trying to say that having 455hp for the street as a daily driver is an insane statement. The V6 puts out great power and is very impressive, but not everyone is the same and there are a lot of people that want more power than what the V6 offers.

I get where you are coming from by defending the V6 but try not to make ridiculous statements about the V8 when they are not true. I know this thread has turned into nothing but a pissing contest, which they always do when it comes up as V6 vs. V8. Everyone just needs to chill and realize that everyone's needs are different. As I have already said, the V6 is impressive and GM has brought it a long way.

Originally Posted by stigmacher

I'll leave this here as well:
SS curb weight 3800 lbs (54%/46%)
0-60 = 4.3
V6 1le curb weight 3500lbs (52%/48%)
0-60 = 4.9

You might want to add that the 1LE SS 0-60 is 4.1. Since you want to put the V6 1LE you need to add the same suspension option to the SS as well.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by 14Black1LESS

So you are saying that only 10%-20% of people with Camaro's are the only ones that mod their cars?! If that was the case then there wouldn't be numerous aftermarket parts and vendors for them. I would say more like 50% mod their cars and the majority of them have V8's.

Again, a Camaro is NOT a sports car. It is a pony car. It may feel like a sports car to you but it's not. I have had sports cars and the Camaro does not feel like one, and yes that includes the 6th Gen. GM has definitely improved the handling of these cars but it's still far from a sports car. And fyi, a V6 does not sound like a V12. I will admit the V6 with NPP does sound good but it's no where close to a V12 sound.

If you want to compare the V6 1LE to a SS, then it might handle better but it will not out handle a 1LE SS. V6 to SS, both not having 1LE, the SS handles better. You need to compare apples to apples when adding suspension options. Weight is not the only factor when it comes to handling.

The reality is that not everyone's idea of practical is the same. My 1LE with 3.91 gears is my daily driver. I love it and wouldn't have it any other way. Is it practical for others, probably not but it is for me. There is nothing that I need to haul that won't fit in the car. I also live in Florida so I can drive it year round and not worry about snow. Trying to say that having 455hp for the street as a daily driver is an insane statement. The V6 puts out great power and is very impressive, but not everyone is the same and there are a lot of people that want more power than what the V6 offers.

I get where you are coming from by defending the V6 but try not to make ridiculous statements about the V8 when they are not true. I know this thread has turned into nothing but a pissing contest, which they always do when it comes up as V6 vs. V8. Everyone just needs to chill and realize that everyone's needs are different. As I have already said, the V6 is impressive and GM has brought it a long way.



You might want to add that the 1LE SS 0-60 is 4.1. Since you want to put the V6 1LE you need to add the same suspension option to the SS as well.

I never once said it sounded like a V12 you made that up yourself 100% I said it sounded exotic and it does. It's not just me that thinks that so does pretty much every other reviewer that reviews it. You can spend some timewatching YouTube videos. You drive a 5th gen I had one they're nice but they're heavy and they do not handle well at all the 4th gen could run circles around them as far as handling goes it is what it is man 5th is a muscle car the 6th Gen is aports car.

As far as performance goes to you've got a skewed perspective here's a little blip of it your current car


http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...camaro_ss_ile/
Our car’s LS3 6.2-liter V8 generates 426-horsepower and 420 lb-ft. of torque. Yes, that is unchanged as no updates were needed here. So, we settled for the same times of our last 1LE, 4.5-seconds to 60 and 12.9 for the ¼ at 110 miles-per-hour.


That 4.5 seconds is fast 0 to 60 Man I'm not saying it's not but the new V6 1le is just about as fast as your car. if that's not progress I don't know what is

I just got to throw it out to man unless if you're talking about an intake or an exhaust if you think 50% of guys mod their cars I don't know what you're smoking but I would like to get some unless if things are completely different in the lower States than they are in Canada I can say 100% that is not the case I've been in the V8 scene with my Z28 for over a decade

[stigmacher]

Not knocking the V8... Never was.
Just noting the V8 is "king" & more is more drama.
Guess everything not a ZL1 is worthless?

PS: if you're comparing apples to apples SS Manual = 3685 lbs. Base V6 3467 lbs. SS 1le = 3747 lbs. V6 1le = 3490.

& Wrt the V6 1le - around GM's challenging proving ground track its two seconds faster than the fifth-generation Camaro SS.

Not knocking the V8.
Just noting the absurdity of trashing the V6.

~ I say Good day Sir.

[14Black1LESS]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

I never once said it sounded like a V12 you made that up yourself 100% I said it sounded exotic and it does. It's not just me that thinks that so does pretty much every other reviewer that reviews it. You can spend some timewatching YouTube videos. You drive a 5th gen I had one they're nice but they're heavy and they do not handle well at all the 4th gen could run circles around them as far as handling goes it is what it is man 5th is a muscle car the 6th Gen is aports car.

As far as performance goes to you've got a skewed perspective here's a little blip of it your current car


http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...camaro_ss_ile/
Our car’s LS3 6.2-liter V8 generates 426-horsepower and 420 lb-ft. of torque. Yes, that is unchanged as no updates were needed here. So, we settled for the same times of our last 1LE, 4.5-seconds to 60 and 12.9 for the ¼ at 110 miles-per-hour.


That 4.5 seconds is fast 0 to 60 Min I'm not saying it's not but the new V6 is just about as fast as your car. if that's not progress I don't know what is

Your cracking me up now. The majority of the exotics have V12's genius. That's why I referenced a V12, and no it does not sound like a V12 or a V10 and if you want to go to a Bugatti, a W16. I have heard plenty of V6's with NPP. Maybe you and your "friends" thinks it does, and that's ok but don't try to convince everyone else that it does. Your 6th Gen is still not a sports car and never will be. Don't get mad about it, as you put it, it is what it is. If you think a 4th Gen can run circles around me then you are smoking something really good. Obviously you have never driven a 1LE. I have had a 2002 Camaro SS and know very well what it is capable of. Also hate to break it to you but the new V6 is not about as fast as my car. Since you want to compare it to my car, mine is not stock. FYI, the time that I posted was for the 6th Gen 1LE SS, not the 5th Gen. Do some research before you spout off at the mouth. My performance perspective is not skewed, apparently yours is though.

http://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/camaro

[14Black1LESS]

Originally Posted by stigmacher

Not knocking the V8... Never was.
Just noting the V8 is "king" & more is more drama.
Guess everything not a ZL1 is worthless?

PS: if you're comparing apples to apples SS Manual = 3685 lbs. Base V6 3467 lbs. SS 1le = 3747 lbs. V6 1le = 3490.

& Wrt the V6 1le - around GM's challenging proving ground track its two seconds faster than the fifth-generation Camaro SS.

Not knocking the V8.
Just noting the absurdity of trashing the V6.

~ I say Good day Sir.

I was never talking about the 5th Gen 1LE, I was talking about the 6th Gen 1LE SS. I was never on here trashing the V6 either but I know how this kind of thread goes also.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by 14Black1LESS

Your cracking me up now. The majority of the exotics have V12's genius. That's why I referenced a V12, and no it does not sound like a V12 or a V10 and if you want to go to a Bugatti, a W16. I have heard plenty of V6's with NPP. Maybe you and your "friends" thinks it does, and that's ok but don't try to convince everyone else that it does. Your 6th Gen is still not a sports car and never will be. Don't get mad about it, as you put it, it is what it is. If you think a 4th Gen can run circles around me then you are smoking something really good. Obviously you have never driven a 1LE. I have had a 2002 Camaro SS and know very well what it is capable of. Also hate to break it to you but the new V6 is not about as fast as my car. Since you want to compare it to my car, mine is not stock. FYI, the time that I posted was for the 6th Gen 1LE SS, not the 5th Gen. Do some research before you spout off at the mouth. My performance perspective is not skewed, apparently yours is though.

http://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/camaro

Bro I don't know what your problem is the link I posted with the link is for review for your 2014 ss1le. It's zero to 60 times 4.5 seconds you can mod it all you want that's great. I was talking in general I don't know you personally I don't know what you've done to your car I've never been to your house for a beer bro I'm talking about the way your car rolled out of the factory versus the way a 6 gen 1le rolls out of the factory. And that was just your to 60 times I was talking about your 4.5 versus the six genzebe six 4.9 seconds 0 to 60. I would think that the newer car would destroy you on the lightning lap as well but you can always mod to your heart's content. I definitely would not take your car over a 6 gen V6 that's for damn sure.



Turn up your speakers and listen to this this is my nice exotic exhaust sound

tps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrs0oa-XIV4

Let me add this as well I loved the 4th gen it was light it was quick it handled really well. To me if one car does not feel like driving a Camaro it's the fifth gen it's too big it's too heavy it didn't feel right to me it definitely did not feel like my f body. I love all Camaros man. But the V6 to me feels like the true successor to my 2002 F body

[Lukemo]

I don't plan on modding my car and I couldn't afford a V8 so I chose the V6 for it's amazing NPP sound and the bad ass fact that it's a freaking high revving 6 cylinder designed and made in America that makes 335hp. Lol I love it. Best and fastest car I've ever had and it looks amazing.

If I was into modding and had a bunch of money, I'd probably would have bought the T4 or the SS.

[stigmacher]

Al Oppenheiser
Go to 1 minute 40 seconds...

https://youtu.be/MLPvxA131t0

Originally Posted by 14Black1LESS

Your cracking me up now. The majority of the exotics have V12's genius. That's why I referenced a V12, and no it does not sound like a V12 or a V10 and if you want to go to a Bugatti, a W16. I have heard plenty of V6's with NPP. Maybe you and your "friends" thinks it does, and that's ok but don't try to convince everyone else that it does. Your 6th Gen is still not a sports car and never will be. Don't get mad about it, as you put it, it is what it is. If you think a 4th Gen can run circles around me then you are smoking something really good. Obviously you have never driven a 1LE. I have had a 2002 Camaro SS and know very well what it is capable of. Also hate to break it to you but the new V6 is not about as fast as my car. Since you want to compare it to my car, mine is not stock. FYI, the time that I posted was for the 6th Gen 1LE SS, not the 5th Gen. Do some research before you spout off at the mouth. My performance perspective is not skewed, apparently yours is though.

http://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/camaro

[stigmacher]

Al Oppenheiser agrees with you on the exhaust note.

https://youtu.be/MLPvxA131t0

Originally Posted by 14Black1LESS

Your cracking me up now. The majority of the exotics have V12's genius. That's why I referenced a V12, and no it does not sound like a V12 or a V10 and if you want to go to a Bugatti, a W16. I have heard plenty of V6's with NPP. Maybe you and your "friends" thinks it does, and that's ok but don't try to convince everyone else that it does. Your 6th Gen is still not a sports car and never will be. Don't get mad about it, as you put it, it is what it is. If you think a 4th Gen can run circles around me then you are smoking something really good. Obviously you have never driven a 1LE. I have had a 2002 Camaro SS and know very well what it is capable of. Also hate to break it to you but the new V6 is not about as fast as my car. Since you want to compare it to my car, mine is not stock. FYI, the time that I posted was for the 6th Gen 1LE SS, not the 5th Gen. Do some research before you spout off at the mouth. My performance perspective is not skewed, apparently yours is though.

http://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/camaro

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

Bro I don't know what your problem is the link I posted with the link is for review for your 2014 ss1le. It's zero to 60 times 4.5 seconds you can mod it all you want that's great. I was talking in general I don't know you personally I don't know what you've done to your car I've never been to your house for a beer bro I'm talking about the way your car rolled out of the factory versus the way a 6 gen 1le rolls out of the factory. And that was just your to 60 times I was talking about your 4.5 versus the six genzebe six 4.9 seconds 0 to 60. I would think that the newer car would destroy you on the lightning lap as well but you can always mod to your heart's content. I definitely would not take your car over a 6 gen V6 that's for damn sure.



Turn up your speakers and listen to this this is my nice exotic exhaust sound

tps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrs0oa-XIV4

Let me add this as well I loved the 4th gen it was light it was quick it handled really well. To me if one car does not feel like driving a Camaro it's the fifth gen it's too big it's too heavy it didn't feel right to me it definitely did not feel like my f body. I love all Camaros man. But the V6 to me feels like the true successor to my 2002 F body

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by stigmacher

Al Oppenheiser
Go to 1 minute 40 seconds...

https://youtu.be/MLPvxA131t0

I love it bro GM themselves explaining the V6 exhaust as sounding very Ferrari like. I thank you for posting that made my day.

[14Black1LESS]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

Bro I don't know what your problem is the link I posted with the link is for review for your 2014 ss1le. It's zero to 60 times 4.5 seconds you can mod it all you want that's great. I was talking in general I don't know you personally I don't know what you've done to your car I've never been to your house for a beer bro I'm talking about the way your car rolled over the factory versus the way a 6 gen 1le rolls out of the factory. And that was just your to 60 times I was talking about your 4.5 versus the six genzebe six 4.9 seconds 0 to 60. I would think that the newer car would destroy you on the lightning lap as well but you can always mod to your heart's content. I definitely would not take your car over a 6 gen V6 that's for damn sure.



Turn up your speakers and listen to this this is my nice exotic exhaust sound

tps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrs0oa-XIV4

Dude, you really need to make up your mind by which options you want on the car. First of all, you said my car, which implies my car whether it is stock or modded. You didn't say a stock 5th Gen 1LE. Secondly, you are now changing it from a V6, to a V6 with 1LE. Third, the time that I posted, since I have to state this again, was for the 6th Gen 1LE SS, not the 5th Gen 1LE. And last, that's fine that you wouldn't take my car over yours. As I have already said, everyone's needs, or wants for that matter, are different. As well as I would never take your car over mine.

As stated several times obviously but you apparently you are incoherent to understating, the V6 with NPP does not sounds like an exotic. I have heard them in person, both the V6 and exotics, and on youtube. They sound completely different. That would be just like me saying that my V8 sounds like a W16, and it sure as hell doesn't. But good for you for thinking that your car sounds like an exotic. Whatever helps you sleep at night.