[14Black1LESS]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Yea the biggest competition for the LT V6 is it's 2.0T sibling. I definitely prefer the V6 sound over it. But if you are really wanting to mod, then the 2.0T can't be beat. They should have offered the 1LE for it too.

GM has already made a concept for the I4 for autocross. If they put it into production I don't think they will call it a 1LE.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/z26672/Ch...X-Concept.aspx

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

Honest question...do you have a learning disorder that makes it hard to read? 16% < 50%. My car payment is 16% of my monthly income. I would never knock someone for getting the car they can afford. People that can (or say they can) afford a higher trim yet settle for a lower one...those are the ones I give a hard time. Why? Because if all you care about is a peppy daily driver...the Camaro is a very odd choice.

You hit it right on the head.. I do indeed have a learning disorder.. I failed in the class of "comprehension of ignorance".

You've been knocking on the V6 with absolutely no legitimacy throughout the entire thread looking for every single reason you could to bash it with quite a good few of them being severely inflated or overly exaggerated.

You're paying more than 16% to own the SS as well. There's more to financing a car than the actual car note. You also have Insurance (will cost more for an SS than V6), and maintenance of which SS's eat tires every year. If you live in the Southeast then there is also fuel as Premium fuel down here costs nearly $1 more per gallon than 87 octane, thats not the case in the Pacific states but it is here. Thats all dandy if thats what you want to pay for, I don't care - its not something I would do as I have other financial obligations and thats what I am stating. There are more reason's people choose the V6's other than performance and other people have higher financial priorities in their life other than a fast set of four wheels and some of them still want a sports car as a DD but don't really care to have 455 HP, they just want something fun.. and throughout this entire thread you have been making something competitive out of something completely non-competitive as not a single V6 owner here has been attempting compete on a performance level.. they just enjoy their car and respect it for what it is.. same for your car.. if thats what you want to spend the money on thats fine.

I've had faster cars than my V6, (04 Vette, 01 Z28, 99 Z28, ect) I know its not the quickest thing in the world but by no means does it disqualify it as a candidate of choice for a DD.. it's pretty dang fun for what it is. Myself and several others are not looking for a $40,000 track toy.. they just want a fun coupe to get them to work and back and thats the intension of the V6. If we start now talking about "used prices" of an SS, please be mindful that a V6 can be had used for right at $20k .. you're not getting an SS at that price..yet...

You can't really compare the two cars.. they're intended for two different markets.

[Risky Justice]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

You hit it right on the head.. I do indeed have a learning disorder.. I failed in the class of "comprehension of ignorance".

You've been knocking on the V6 with absolutely no legitimacy throughout the entire thread looking for every single reason you could to bash it with quite a good few of them being severely inflated or overly exaggerated.

You're paying more than 16% to own the SS as well. There's more to financing a car than the actual car note. You also have Insurance (will cost more for an SS than V6), and maintenance of which SS's eat tires every year. If you live in the Southeast then there is also fuel as Premium fuel down here costs nearly $1 more per gallon than 87 octane, thats not the case in the Pacific states but it is here. Thats all dandy if thats what you want to pay for, I don't care - its not something I would do as I have other financial obligations and thats what I am stating. There are more reason's people choose the V6's other than performance and other people have higher financial priorities in their life other than a fast set of four wheels and some of them still want a sports car as a DD but don't really care to have 455 HP, they just want something fun.. and throughout this entire thread you have been making something competitive out of something completely non-competitive as not a single V6 owner here has been attempting compete on a performance level.. they just enjoy their car and respect it for what it is.. same for your car.. if thats what you want to spend the money on thats fine.

I've had faster cars than my V6, (04 Vette, 01 Z28, 99 Z28, ect) I know its not the quickest thing in the world but by no means does it disqualify it as a candidate of choice for a DD.. it's pretty dang fun for what it is. Myself and several others are not looking for a $40,000 track toy.. they just want a fun coupe to get them to work and back and thats the intension of the V6. If we start now talking about "used prices" of an SS, please be mindful that a V6 can be had used for right at $20k .. you're not getting an SS at that price..yet...

You can't really compare the two cars.. they're intended for two different markets.

Tl;dr.

Look, I think Ford had the right idea in making the turbo 4 cylinder the mid-level trim. They can sound pretty good and they can make power for CHEAP! It is truly the best bang for your buck. Period. V8 is for when you want that power stock, or you want to mod and go stupid fast (2Gs of lateral acceleration is FUN!). The V6 is as expensive, if not more (DOHC), to mod and therefore this seems more like an attempt to circle jerk the V6 for some reason (if you're going to mod the car). The future will probably consist of a Camaro offered with four powertrains though: turbo 4 cylinder, twin turbo V6, hybrid twin turbo V6 (AWD), and then an all electric plug-in of some type--which would be faster than the Tesla Model S P100D models. Personally, I want that 4 motor AWD electric Camaro. Less attention from the police, but with WAY more power. And traction issues? What's that?

[stigmacher]

From Car & Drivers Lightening Lap comparing the V6 1le with your turbo 4 claims:

"...it absolutely stomps its current Blue Oval rival, the Mustang EcoBoost equipped with the Performance package. Were they on the track at the same time, the boosted Mustang would only be exiting Hog Pen onto the front straight as the Camaro crossed the start/finish line at 3:04. The Ford needs an additional 11.6 seconds to complete its lap."

[stigmacher]

It's possible to just buy turbos for any engine / car. You would need a tune & I'd absolutely recommend intercoolers. The LGX runs 11.5:1 compression. A small amount of boost will add a lot @ that compression. If you do it go ewg not iwg turbos to avoid boost creep.

If you look at Jay Leno's garage he forwent a V8 fifth Gen Camaro & went V6 & twin turbo charged it due it better balance / weight distribution & lower weight all together.

[Risky Justice]

Originally Posted by stigmacher

It's possible to just buy turbos for any engine / car. You would need a tune & I'd absolutely recommend intercoolers. The LGX runs 11.5:1 compression. A small amount of boost will add a lot @ that compression. If you do it go ewg not iwg turbos to avoid boost creep.

If you look at Jay Leno's garage he forwent a V8 fifth Gen Camaro & went V6 & twin turbo charged it due it better balance / weight distribution & lower weight all together.

If you're going to spend that amount of money, why wouldn't you get the V8 and make more power in the end? I can understand with the 4 cylinder, as you might have spent a good chunk of money modding it already, but end up wanting to make some crazy numbers. If they offered the 1LE package on the 4 cylinder, it would destroy that V6.

[stigmacher]

Here's a turn key super charger kit for the LGX - 400hp

http://teamrxp.com/products/2016-201...percharger-kit

[stigmacher]

I really think you missed this.
& Modding the LGX is no more expensive than the turbo 4.

~Sincerely an Engineer
QUOTE=stigmacher;9891344]From Car & Drivers Lightening Lap comparing the V6 1le with your turbo 4 claims:

"...it absolutely stomps its current Blue Oval rival, the Mustang EcoBoost equipped with the Performance package. Were they on the track at the same time, the boosted Mustang would only be exiting Hog Pen onto the front straight as the Camaro crossed the start/finish line at 3:04. The Ford needs an additional 11.6 seconds to complete its lap."[/QUOTE]

[stigmacher]

Here's the VIR lightening lap times:
V6 1le = 3:04.0
2015 WRX STI = 3:10.5

STI is boosted out AWD four banger with adjustable torque to front & rear - a lot of kit.
Good luck with the cost modding a 2.0t to that level of dynamics.

& PS: If your wondering the turbo 4 Evo 10 with all it's AWD tricks is even slower.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

There's no doubt the LGX is a ridiculously amazing engine in the V6 Camaro is fully proof of that it is a beast.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Yea the biggest competition for the LT V6 is it's 2.0T sibling. I definitely prefer the V6 sound over it. But if you are really wanting to mod, then the 2.0T can't be beat. They should have offered the 1LE for it too.

It goes both ways though because if you just want to do basic mods like an intake exhaust Etc then the V6 is the biggest competition for the V8. I got nothing against the turbo 4 but for me personally if it was only turbo for or V8 I would have spent the extra money but since the V6 is just so damn good it really wasn't worth the extra money to me in my eyes for the extra power of the V8 that would have no usefulness on the street. I'm a guy that's driven Camaros for like the last 12 years I know what power is what's needed on the street to be faster than 90% of the cars and the LGX has that power. I think there's a lot of confusion on this site that guy's just couldn't afford the V8 people just made informed decisions with the choices they had. I could have afforded the V8 I just didn't want to and I didn't feel I needed to once I test drove the beastly LGX. If you're buying any of them planning to mod you wasted your money if you never bought the I-4

And if you did spend the extra money on the V8 I do truly hope you use that power and not just use it for bragging rights find your local track go to it get your money's worth

[Risky Justice]

Originally Posted by stigmacher

Here's a turn key super charger kit for the LGX - 400hp

http://teamrxp.com/products/2016-201...percharger-kit

Here is a turn key turbo upgrade for the LTG: https://zzperformance.com/ats/ltg-zfr-turbo.html

$6,500 to get a V6 to 400whp...why not just get the SS? You V6 owners are in denial. This argument isn't even about V6 vs. SS anymore...it's why would anyone want a V6 over a turbo 4?!

[Glen e]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

You V6 owners are in denial. This argument isn't even about V6 vs. SS anymore...it's why would anyone want a V6 over a turbo 4?!

Risky, I know you don't understand this point of view; But as been said before in many cases above, I don't care at all about horsepower, once it is a respectable amount. The Camaro V6 FEELS about as fast as my 335, And that was fine with me. I would take the V6 all day over the four for one reason; Refinement. To me it is a smoother delivery of power than the four. But if you are a horse power enthusiast, yes, the four and the 8 make much more sense. But to me V-6 is a different direction altogether.....

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

Here is a turn key turbo upgrade for the LTG: https://zzperformance.com/ats/ltg-zfr-turbo.html

$6,500 to get a V6 to 400whp...why not just get the SS? You V6 owners are in denial. This argument isn't even about V6 vs. SS anymore...it's why would anyone want a V6 over a turbo 4?!

I think the problem with Risky Justice is he regrets not buying the V6 because he's just not using his V8 at the track where it belongs.

I would say at least 80 to 90% of guys do not mod their cars I'm a guy that does just do basic intakes and exhausts throttle bodies stuff like that but I'm not a guy that's going to be doing cams.

So for the guy that's not going to mod risky Justice the V6 is a damn fine automobile faster than 90% of the cars on the road and it is bulletproof reliable so far. Let's admit now to this car is no longer a muscle car is a sports car it handles crazy and the V6 with the NPP sounds like an exotic sports car I know you can't get that into your head risky exotic think about how cool that is to have a Camaro that sounds like an exotic


So with mods you can up I-4 to 400 horse or more but you have no warranty left. I know I could not just go ahead and void the warranty on my car that I just bought brand new that would be just crazy people like to have brand new cars because of warranties MrJustice.

I don't know if your new to having powerful cars oryou don't understand that the LG X can run with an LS1 Camaro or you're bored or you just like talking smack.

But my God are you talking a lot of smack the V6 is fantastic man go mod your V8 if you're not happy with it man.

And let's not forget that the V6 is lighter in the front end in the V8 and I would go as far to say it is a better handling vehicle.

And I would also be man enough to say that the I-4 would be better handling in the V6. Weight matters in a vehicle

The reality is man the V8 is nice to have if you're some old guy that's going to keep it in the garage and brag but it's complete Overkill on the street as a daily driver.

That's a lot of normal guys that just bought the V8 to that are in here shaking their fingers at anybody who didnt buy one

You got to stop doing that risky Justice it's not needed it's ridiculous. It's not going to kill you the fact that the LG xv6 is just the best V6 ever made you can accept that and move on with your life we've all made choices you've also got the fastest V8 ever in a Camaro that's some pretty good choices man but I've got the fastest V6.

I do invite you to use YouTube and Google and review the V6 Camaro though because everyone who drove it loved it and then spend some time and read about the LG X and how it won Ward's 10 best and how they had to keep on stopping the cars popping the hoods of the Camaros just to tell if it was a V6 or V8 they were driving