[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by big dave

I hear a lot of complaints about torque management, maybe I just don't know what it is, but the worst 60' I've ever pulled with my car has been a 1.89, which was on my first pass ever. After that, I'm generally in the mid 1.7s. Once I turn all the nannies off, I don't seem to get any interference from the computer government. The video that has been floating around is that of my car. I too doubted the 130 mph but have backed it up with 128.9 on a warmer day, and few 127s. I've posted that I believe that this car will run 10s on street tires in perfect conditions, I'm even more of a believer now that I've spent a little more time with the car. It just seems to be getting faster even in the terrible heat we've been getting on the east coast. Only time will tell.

Ultimately do I see the ZL1 being as quick as the Hellcat with both wearing drag radials? No, but I have no doubt that the power deficient ZL1 will still be in the 10s, maybe a tenth or two behind the dodge...but still in the 10s. I've got a set of drag radials from my 5th gen that I hope will fit the new Z, when the weather gets good, we will all know for sure what this puppy is capable of. .

I agree. I feel like my car is putting a little more power to the tire as the miles rack up. Awesome MPH, by the way!

I also agree that the Zs will run 10s on a tire and will likely do it bone stock, as long as the grip is still there when the better air gets here.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by big dave

I hear a lot of complaints about torque management, maybe I just don't know what it is, but the worst 60' I've ever pulled with my car has been a 1.89, which was on my first pass ever. After that, I'm generally in the mid 1.7s. Once I turn all the nannies off, I don't seem to get any interference from the computer government. The video that has been floating around is that of my car. I too doubted the 130 mph but have backed it up with 128.9 on a warmer day, and few 127s. I've posted that I believe that this car will run 10s on street tires in perfect conditions, I'm even more of a believer now that I've spent a little more time with the car. It just seems to be getting faster even in the terrible heat we've been getting on the east coast. Only time will tell.

Ultimately do I see the ZL1 being as quick as the Hellcat with both wearing drag radials? No, but I have no doubt that the power deficient ZL1 will still be in the 10s, maybe a tenth or two behind the dodge...but still in the 10s. I've got a set of drag radials from my 5th gen that I hope will fit the new Z, when the weather gets good, we will all know for sure what this puppy is capable of. .

Torque management is an algorithm in the PCM that takes a ton of variables like throttle input, engine rpm, blah blah blah, and calculates how much power to actually allow to the tires. I'm over simplifying as there are a boat load of variables, but you get the idea.

Your ZL1 sounds like it was built on a Wednesday morning by a motivated assembly crew! Anything over 125MPH in the 1/4 is making steam IMO. 130 is way up there for sure.

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

I hope drag radials will improve traction quite a bit more, but won't know until I try them. I can't decide on which way I want to go......swapping DRs onto my stock wheels or getting a set of 17" or 18" wheels and tires to bolt on for track days. The only way to know what kind of difference a DRs make would be to get a separate set of wheels so I could test both on the same day, so I may go that route.

The grippy Goodyears and torque management make for a perfect street setup! Even if you get a little too eager on the launch and spin the tires, the car will still accelerate hard.



I didn't know Beech Bend was your local track! You didn't happen to come up for Street Car Takeover when I made my best passes to date, did you?

Compared to my local track in London, the track prep seemed great that day.

Man, it's too bad my wheels won't swap back and forth from the Challenger to the Chevy, I'd let you use them to test with at the track. Next time I head up to Beech Bend I'll PM you and maybe you can join us. Several of us go up there when the weather cools to have a good time.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Man, it's too bad my wheels won't swap back and forth from the Challenger to the Chevy, I'd let you use them to test with at the track. Next time I head up to Beech Bend I'll PM you and maybe you can join us. Several of us go up there when the weather cools to have a good time.

Yes it is. LOL! I had a friend of mine offer his Vette wheels with DRs for testing, but they won't fit either from what I've read about the Vette's backspacing. Seems like the Vette may even have a slightly different bolt pattern, but I've not confirmed that.

Definitely PM me when you go. If I can make it over that way at that time, I'll go. Might even get a few of my friends to come, if possible. My dad will most likely go too. He has a quick supercharged 2011 Mustang GT. A few of our friends have a supercharged C7 Vette, a supercharged Viper, and a slightly modded 2008 GT500.

[Rusty35]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

No way. Tunes, CAI, etc all change the POWER the car makes. Whole different ball game than just putting tires on it. Give the car the tires it needs to use the power it has and let's race and see what's what. Then we can start modding LOL.



Man I wish. Atco is like the Unicorn track LOL I can't even imagine -1000 DA much less -1500!!

The mods you mention don't make more power, they just allow the engine to use the power it already has.
No one serious about racing uses a restrictive air filter.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

The mods you mention don't make more power, they just allow the engine to use the power it already has.
No one serious about racing uses a restrictive air filter.

They make more power than a "stock" engine.
No One serious about racing uses stock tires either.
Someone will figure a way around the Nannies too.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

The mods you mention don't make more power, they just allow the engine to use the power it already has.
No one serious about racing uses a restrictive air filter.

So Chevy put a restrictive filter on the ZL1?? That sucks.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

Yes it is. LOL! I had a friend of mine offer his Vette wheels with DRs for testing, but they won't fit either from what I've read about the Vette's backspacing. Seems like the Vette may even have a slightly different bolt pattern, but I've not confirmed that.

Definitely PM me when you go. If I can make it over that way at that time, I'll go. Might even get a few of my friends to come, if possible. My dad will most likely go too. He has a quick supercharged 2011 Mustang GT. A few of our friends have a supercharged C7 Vette, a supercharged Viper, and a slightly modded 2008 GT500.

Heck yeah man, I'd love to see some of those cars at the track with us. We're definitely in the open weekends in Oct and Nov. We'll probably go every single one.

https://www.beechbend.com/dragstrip/racing-schedule/

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

The mods you mention don't make more power, they just allow the engine to use the power it already has.
No one serious about racing uses a restrictive air filter.

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

So Chevy put a restrictive filter on the ZL1?? That sucks.

This my friends is perfect example of Trump and the media.

1) Bad info was reported
2) Uninformed people were influenced

Air intakes DO make the engine make more power by allowing the engine to suck in its max air CFM.

I don't know how you can say "no one serious about drag racing" because I know many a guy who drag race their bone stock cars and get the most out of them that they can. And some of them are very serious.

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

So Chevy put a restrictive filter on the ZL1?? That sucks.

You'd be surprised Speedy. The 5th gen got tons of HP from a CAI or Rotofab.

6th gen "only" gets 20-25 hp, LOL
Not that bad really.

-bobby

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

So Chevy put a restrictive filter on the ZL1?? That sucks.

So Dodge puts inadequate tires on the Hellcat? GM use torque management to protect the drivetrain and Dodge uses skinny tires and a weak drive shaft.

Stock is stock and a mod is a mod according to Merc. MrBass is correct

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

This exactly, every car is different give a hellcat the tire's and a ZL1 may benefit more from a tune or a cai. In my opinion these are all mods and if you choose either you're trying to GAIN SOMETHING.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by Rusty35

The mods you mention don't make more power, they just allow the engine to use the power it already has.
No one serious about racing uses a restrictive air filter.

Am I correct that your play on words is meant to show speedy what a lie he is telling by claiming that his car with drag radials added to it is still stock?

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

This my friends is perfect example of Trump and the media.

1) Bad info was reported
2) Uninformed people were influenced

Air intakes DO make the engine make more power by allowing the engine to suck in its max air CFM.

I don't know how you can say "no one serious about drag racing" because I know many a guy who drag race their bone stock cars and get the most out of them that they can. And some of them are very serious.

You missed the joke lol.

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

You'd be surprised Speedy. The 5th gen got tons of HP from a CAI or Rotofab.

6th gen "only" gets 20-25 hp, LOL
Not that bad really.

-bobby

Is it really that much on a 6th gen? Been a while since I looked at it but thought it wasnt much at all? If its that much I may need to reconsider one for the 2SS. The info I remember was lime 10hp and no change in ET or MPH at the track.

Originally Posted by hotlap

So Dodge puts inadequate tires on the Hellcat? GM use torque management to protect the drivetrain and Dodge uses skinny tires and a weak drive shaft.

Stock is stock and a mod is a mod according to Merc. MrBass is correct

Dodge may have used crap tires as a fuse but seems odd that was the reason considering they released two NHRA official 1/4 mile times to account for DR vs standard summer perf tires. I think it was more bean counter involvement. Drive shaft has been updated as of 2016. Only heard of one breaking but I wouldnt trust that personally. Car weighs 4500lbs and needs a real good drive shaft....Demon appears to be a direct swap. Personally Id prefer crap tires over torque management as thats a much easier and less expensive problem to solve vs having to tune.

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Am I correct that your play on words is meant to show speedy what a lie he is telling by claiming that his car with drag radials added to it is still stock?

I take offense to being called a liar. Not once have I said anything about my car being considered stock........or not. Ive said to put the tire the car, any car, requires to make the most of what its got. But go to the drag strip and start talking about street tires on the track and see how that works out. Racers hate it because they know its pointless and ruins the prep to boot.

Dodge is probably gonna offer a DR option for the Hellcat in 2019 if not a late 2018 option.....what will you do then? Seems like a silly position to focus on to me given the direction theyre headed. Dodge has a history of copying what we come up with at the track.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I ran a 12.4 @113MPH and he ran 12.2 @ 113MPH. Same track same day, same everything so I'm less than impressed with the Gen 5 ZL1. They're also well known for heatsoaking and losing boat loads of power pretty quick. We have a friend with one and he struggled to ever hit 11s, finally ran a 11.99 I think but MPH was still sub par at around 115 or so in perfect weather, cooled off car, etc.

BigDave and many others have consistently run 11's stock. And he doesn't have a big problem with heat soak (he knows what he's doing.). Driver, track, weather all play into it.

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by hotlap

So Dodge puts inadequate tires on the Hellcat? GM use torque management to protect the drivetrain and Dodge uses skinny tires and a weak drive shaft.

Stock is stock and a mod is a mod according to Merc. MrBass is correct

I mean we even let air out of STOCK tire's just for a lil more advantage. Is that a mod? Not to me but you know what your doing it for. Oh don't forget EVERY hellcat runs 10's with dr's lol every one may have the potential but what do they REALLY AVERAGE pass after pass?