[MAGAUSA]

Unless you are ready to pay for a lawyer and cover suit costs you're screwed. This thread has digressed into a warranty discussion. Bottom line if you modify you risk losing your warranty. Your remedy is the courts, but you're better just paying to fix your car.

[TrackClub]

Well, if the issue is completely unrelated, perhaps then the case is better. If the motor goes "boom" I think things could get complicated in a hurry.
Laws notwithstanding, don't want to chance having to sue a multi billion $ manufacturer over a catch can. Anyhow, that's just my personal position. I'd rather forego any benefit of a catch can for a benefit of no questions asked warranty coverage. That's all.

[zryan]

sorry for getting us off topic. Anyone aware of a catch-can that is recirculating and empties to the oil pan?

[Tumba]

Originally Posted by zryan

sorry for getting us off topic. Anyone aware of a catch-can that is recirculating and empties to the oil pan?

What about the gas and water that also gets collected? I'm pretty sure some of that mixtures​ is gas and catch cans I've used in the past always collect a ton of water during the winter months. I don't want either of those things going back to my oil pan.

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[zryan]

Fair point. Not sure. If the filtration is good enough the gas vapor should be allowed to escape leaving only oil. Not sure why the water gets in there. I've not had this issue.

[Hawk Fan]

I think before i take my car in for any warranty work I'll probably remove the catch can.

[JBones81]

also, I don't think that too many people on here would ONLY modify their car with a catch can. In most instances, the catch can would be one of several, or more, modifications that the dealer could point to as being the more likely culprit of an issue with the car.

If someone is going to leave their car BONE stock, but only add a catch can, then that is the only case where they should consider the integrity of their warranty.

[zryan]

http://www.jdpmotorsports.com/elite-...1010b-lfx-rh-c

Is this the Elite catch can that was mentioned earlier in this thread? How can it only be $150? This thing looks like a really quality part. Anodized aluminum and coated with the nice paint with stainless steel braided hose lines!!!!! I just dropped anchor gat dam

[Elite Engineering]

zryan,


That model is our "Standard" model, more appropriate for the port injection engines of the past. Our E2 or E2-X dual valve are a little better suited for the GDI engines. 95% plus effective....the most effective design on the market period. The V8 LT based engines already have a good cleanside solution, so you only need the main can system.


All, you would NEVER want to reintroduce what is caught into the oil pan.....Our E2 and E2-X systems if you do an analysis will be app 70% water and acids, 23% raw fuel, and 7% oil saturated with abrasive particulate matter. One must first understand what the PCV system does as far as functions, and only 1 part is pollution control related. The main function is to flush and remove the damaging compounds from the crankcase that enter as blow-by before they can settle and mix with the oil. This is the main source of the contamination that renders the engine oil no longer able to protect the internal parts of the engine.


Here is a good video (ignore the last portion as it is installation for a ford ecoboost, but really explains why and how the PCV system accomplishes this, as well as how our can design provides the most effective prevention for the issues GDI engines face today.):





As far as warranty, yes, it is against Federal law to void a warranty for the installation of a PROPER system. One that does not include a breather or in any way defeats or deletes any function of the factory system. That includes the closed system must be maintained. No breathers or other venting to the atmosphere. ALL Elite Engineering USA's systems retain closed emissions compliant function, but we are not CARB cert for CA. The debate on if you would need to spend money on legal consul we cannot answer that, other than a letter with the statute explanation from the FTC should be all that's needed for an unscrupulous or uninformed dealer. And with the thousands and thousands we have sold and are in use over the years, there has been only the one Gen5 owner that was caught up in a dealer voiding, and most know the outcome was the dealer tech was clueless.

[nasbagoat]

Could you please explain the difference between the E2 and E2X cans and what reasons to use one VS the other besides the obvious ball valve drain on the bottom. Also could you please clear up why we would use a 1 vs 2 outlet port can?

[zryan]

In addition to his question what is the top of the line catch can system that you sell for the LT-1 Camaro ss? Gator dont play no games. Thank you so much Elite this will probably end up being one of the most helpful threads!!!!

[Elite Engineering]

Originally Posted by nasbagoat

Could you please explain the difference between the E2 and E2X cans and what reasons to use one VS the other besides the obvious ball valve drain on the bottom. Also could you please clear up why we would use a 1 vs 2 outlet port can?

I'll start with the 1 vs. 2 Outlet (Exit) Ports. On all the Elite Engineering Catch Cans, the center, top port is always the INLET connection from the crankcase.

So, the only real option is the Single EXIT or the Dual EXIT Catch Can.

On a NA engine, during acceleration, the intake manifold vacuum is used as the suction source to evacuate the damaging compounds entering as blow-by from the crankcase before they can settle and mix with the oil.

But, when you accelerate, that vacuum drops to zero and no evacuation takes place. It is during these periods that the water, raw fuel, sulfuric acid, and abrasive soot, carbon, and ash particles settle and mix with the oil, and these cause the wear to the engine.

The Dual Catch Can (second Exit fitting) is used to tap into an alternate evacuation suction source. This source is typically at a location just in front, or upstream of the throttle body. Note: If you do choose to install the Dual Exit (second Exit Port), you will be required to drill into your existing intake tube and insert a hose barb fitting.

In addition, we use one-way inline checkvalves to open and close, to always default to the strongest suction source at the time. This provides full time crankcase evacuation instead of only when not accelerating or at wide open throttle (WOT) when no vacuum is present.

Additional comment:
Why does the vacuum drop to zero at WOT? The cam lobes all have overlap. That overlap is when the exhaust valve has not fully closed and the intake valve is starting to open (and vice versa). This allows reversion pulses to travel back up each intake runner and these cancel the vacuum present. This is also the period when pressure builds in the crankcase seeking the path of least resistance, which is backwards through the clean, or fresh side of the PCV system pushing oil and contaminate laden vapors into your main intake air tube assy.

Differences between the Catch Cans:

Our original "Standard" Elite Catch Can was the industry standard for a long time. It's a great affordable unit for most port injection engines. We have retained this version as it is low cost to produce and is still more effective than most other cans costing twice as much.

The newly designed E2 and the E2-X incorporate our latest designs and employ the most effective designs to address the issues all GDI engines experience. A great fit for the GDI owner or mild FI build. AN fittings and billet check valves are standard. The E2-X also includes a high quality ¼-turn ball valve for draining, whereas the E2 has a screw-off bottom. Both Catch Cans can be completely disassembled for cleaning if needed.

Our E2-X Ultra is just that. The Ultimate solution for road racing, drag racing, big power stroker's and forced induction where the added capacity is critical. If you run aggressively and want to have not only the best protection from oil mist and other contaminate ingestion, this is the system for you. For the road racer, the Ultra will pull suction at all times on the crankcase and is the most effective "catchcan" on the market currently that most closely emulates the functions of a belt driven vacuum pump system. Cleaner oil, more power, and less detonation/Knock Retard. The E2-X "Ultra" is a beast in performance and is substantially larger in size than the E2-X.

All Elite systems retain a closed emissions compliant system (not CARB cert for CA.) and adding the cleanside separator is highly recommended.

So, for the budget minded buyer with a port injection engine, our Standard Elite Catch Can is still one of the best solutions for the money as it always has been. But for GDI engines, the E2 and E2-X are the best in the industry.

No matter what your vehicle, no matter the power, the build, etc. we feel that no one has a more robust proven solution than Elite Engineering, and we continue to improve and add applications going forward.

[JBones81]

awesome info, Elite, link me to your site for purchase!

[Arsentic]

I definitely want to get one of these but my car already has 5K miles. What about all the stuff I never caught? How can I flush that out? I wish I got one on day one. Should I use seafoam or another additive to flush the engine and then add one of these?