[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Gearing can only multiply the torque that is there.

Has anyone seen a power/torque curve for the new coyote? The LT1 makes 350 lb-ft off idle and +400 lb-ft by 4500 rpm. The current coyote doesn't hit 350 lb-ft until 4500 rpm.

Has anyone seen the Mustang A10 gear spread and final axle ratio? Do you actually know it's better the the Camaro A8?

Indeed, which is why it's fortunate we don't launch our cars off idle.

While nothing is confirmed yet, with 7 non overdrive fwd gears in the 10 speed...I would assume the A10 combined with 3.55 gearing is going to be steeper than the current A6. The current combo has a final drive ratio of 14.8:1, which is fairly respectable....if the stock converter was matched a bit better.

In order for the 18GT to achieve sub 4 second 0-60 times, I would assume the A10 is shorter. Hell, the A10 in the ZL1 has a shorter first gear than the A8.

[BlaqWhole]

I guarantee you the Mustang is gonna do a crappy quarter mile despite all these changes. And when the magazine testers get their hands on it, they're gonna say "Oh the Mustang could only muster a 12.7 despite all the improvements. It is likely engineered that way so as to not depose the Shelby, Ford's top dog Mustang while still trying to remain competitive to the SS"...

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by GuywithL86

it is way way more difficult to get advertised mustang acceleration numbers. Definitely have to have all the conditions just right in order to hook up.

The camaro you can literally just stop the gas pedal with the traction control on and get very close to advertised numbers.

In a real world stop light race, the camaro will win almost every time.

<mustang owner and camaro renter

More power is not going to help the 0-60 much in the stang (under normal everyday driving conditons)

You are not considering Ford got smart and is also using the great Michelin pilot 4S tires which are better than the Michelin pilot super sport sticky's and a lot better than the P zero tires Ford uses. Between the 10 speed gearing and the great rubber, hate to say it but the stang will 0 to 60 a lot better. The Camaro SS needs the 10 speed from the ZL1 and the same Michelin pilot 4S tires and it will hurt the mustang (again)

[ChefBorOzzy]

Gawd.. With the damn torque multiplication.

Again, it's a balancing act. Fact is the LT1 has much more grunt throughout the rev range at the crank. Both manufacturers can play with the gearing.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm not saying it can't...I'm saying it won't. You go on and on about torque multiplication because that is all you can cling to so you can keep arguing. And again, all you're doing is speculating. Yet you're foolish enough to think that YOUR speculation is true while everyone else's is not. That A10 trans the Mustang is getting is just a selling gimmick. It is there because the Challengers have A8s, the Camaros have A8s, and the Mustangs still had A6s so they had to do something to make it more modern. It is there to give it something that people will want to buy. It isn't there to wow people with performance. Ford is not gonna put enough into that trans to make it perform on par with the Shelby. Any extra performance it does gain will be minimal. Ford is not out there to outperform Camaros. They are out there to sell as many Mustangs as they can.

Look what the 10 speed did for the ZL1, great trans and much better than the 8 speed. That 10 speed was co-developed with Ford and ford puts it in the GT mustang along with much better tires , trick shocks for weight transfer. Add in the 25 hp increase, watch out Camaro. Camaro needs the ZL1 10 speed and the Michelin pilot 4S tire's like the mustang GT will now have to stay out front.

[nancygrl]

Yuck....There has not been a decent mustang put out for decades.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Gawd.. With the damn torque multiplication.

Again, it's a balancing act. Fact is the LT1 has much more grunt throughout the rev range at the crank. Both manufacturers can play with the gearing.

Right^. We've seen the whole torque multiplication magic before from the wizards over at M6G. It didn't work out in reality.

I'm looking forward to seeing GT's running consistent 3.9 sec 60 times in the reviews. If they don't it can only mean one thing (using M6G logic). Ford lied.

Fanboy - Moral of the story. You're making a lot of claims with next to no information. Put it down.

[sixstrings]

So there seems to be a lot of hate going on in here lol.
I own a 2016 Mustang GT PP and it isn't a terrible car. I like the way it looks and love the color combo (guard green with saddle interior). That said, the PP doesn't live up to the name, there have been a few issues with it including a full replace of the sync 3 system... twice. More body roll than I would like, preformance is a bit underwhelming. All that could be fixed for $$ but I am not going to.
This car will be replaced with a 2SS 1LE sometime next year. The Camaro is just a much better car and while the Mustang will get better my experience with this one has left me a bit sour on them.

[Stex]

To OP, no, do not believe it will match the SS Gen 6.

An aside, do not be to hard on the Mustang, as not sure GM would have brought back the Camaro if the Stang had gone away too when the C did. Then again GM may have seen a market and brought back the C. One thing for sure, the Mustang was a 310 or so HP dud when the C came back and forced Ford to get with it.

[ChefBorOzzy]

I actually like the looks of the Mustang and would like one in Orange Fury and 6 speed manual. I just hope that it drives better than the 15-17.

[DenverTaco07]

I'd take a Mustang over many of the import "performance" cars, but Camaro still wins hands down for me.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by LEADfoot927

This reminds me when the LS3 had 30 ft pds on the 5.0, and we learned how that worked out and that there was more to the equation. In addition the E92 M3 matching the 5.0 in acceleration despite a 100 ft tq deficit. Either way i'm enjoying the competition and the SS and the GT taking turns one-upping each other yet again.

Last gen the LS3 was only available in the manual, auto's got less power. The manual Camaro's were not much slower than the manual Mustangs, there was a much bigger difference in the auto's.

Also the last gen Camaro weighed what, 200 or 250lbs more. This gen the Mustang is down on torque and up on weight.

I certainly don't see any evidence of the GT one upping the SS, more like coming up to the same level, handling improvements remain to be seen.

[devnull]

Originally Posted by sixstrings

So there seems to be a lot of hate going on in here lol.
I own a 2016 Mustang GT PP and it isn't a terrible car. I like the way it looks and love the color combo (guard green with saddle interior). That said, the PP doesn't live up to the name, there have been a few issues with it including a full replace of the sync 3 system... twice. More body roll than I would like, preformance is a bit underwhelming. All that could be fixed for $$ but I am not going to.
This car will be replaced with a 2SS 1LE sometime next year. The Camaro is just a much better car and while the Mustang will get better my experience with this one has left me a bit sour on them.

100% agree... love the GT PP. I'm hoping the 18 closes the gap, but don't think it will come close to a 1LE in performance.

You owe me a test drive on a 2SS 1LE dammit

[Snowblind]

Wow, this thread has alot of drama.

The effective 1st gear ratio of the SS A8 is 12.63 (4.56x2.77) and the ZL1 A10 is 13.39 (4.70x2.85). If the '18 Mustang is equipped with the 3.55 final drive ratio than its first gear ratio is a whopping 16.68 (insert crowd clearing joke here). Harnessing that off idle smash on street tires will be a tall feat imo but I am happy that the Blue Oval boys are stepping up their game....it benefits all of us speed junkies.

I say bring it on, and come get some !!!!