[13vertss]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

Wanted leather seats and some of the other 2SS creature comforts.

Basically, this car is just for "fun" track days. If I get serious and want to really race, I'll use the racecar (which is just a hassle to get ready for a race sometimes).

The 2ss can have the 1le. It's a $3665 option.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The 12 GT actually WAS a high 12. It was lighter, had a good amount of hp/tq for it's weight, had the solid axle, and it was able to do those times. The 13s and 14s also. The SS was doing a 12.8-13.0 back then. But the Mustang has since gained weight and employed IRS and the build is overall cheaper. So the S550 is a 13.0 now. I don't think all these additions will add up to it dropping 8 tenths off it's quarter mile. It is still heavier than the SS, it is still down by 35 tq...so having a 10 hp advantage is not gonna drastically improve it especially if all the supporting mods are not improved.

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It might still be down on torque, but it will utilize the gearing of the A10 and the 3.55 rear axle ratio to make up for the lack of low end torque. I have a feeling a properly equipped A10 Mustang will be right there with an A8 Camaro.

[KyleL]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

The 2ss can have the 1le. It's a $3665 option.

Not for the 2017 models. I think they started that option for 2018 models.

Originally Posted by shaffe

It might still be down on torque, but it will utilize the gearing of the A10 and the 3.55 rear axle ratio to make up for the lack of low end torque. I have a feeling a properly equipped A10 Mustang will be right there with an A8 Camaro.

I saw that too and thought it was an error.....3.55 on an a10 seems pretty aggressive. Just image how hard the zl1 a10 would get out with 3.55s....and no computer interference, of course lol

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by KyleL

Not for the 2017 models. I think they started that option for 2018 models.



I saw that too and thought it was an error.....3.55 on an a10 seems pretty aggressive. Just image how hard the zl1 a10 would get out with 3.55s....and no computer interference, of course lol

Exactly, there are ways to make up for lack of torque. Aggressive gearing is one way to do it.

[FastCarFanBoy]

every time I hear someone championing torque , especially low end or peak torque in a drag racing discussion I have to laugh.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Exactly, there are ways to make up for lack of torque. Aggressive gearing is one way to do it.

It's all a balancing act..

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Seriously, how can you still not understand that a lack of torque on the line can be made up by gearing? How are you still not able to do simple math? 12.9-0.6=12.3.

And you're still talking about the GT350.

How well did the gearing work out on the 15-17 GT? Because I seem to recall that it was still a 12.9-13.0 sec car even with the 3.73s...lol!!

And those are just projected numbers. We'll see what it actually does in the real world. And I doubt it'll be a low 12.

Originally Posted by shaffe

It might still be down on torque, but it will utilize the gearing of the A10 and the 3.55 rear axle ratio to make up for the lack of low end torque. I have a feeling a properly equipped A10 Mustang will be right there with an A8 Camaro.

I don't think it'll get the power to the ground effectively. With numerically lower gears it won't get off the line. With numerically higher gears it will spin out or snap axles or the torque converter won't allow it to launch properly. Chevy did a great job with the Camaro. But I doubt Ford will be able to match it.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

How well did the gearing work out on the 15-17 GT? Because I seem to recall that it was still a 12.9-13.0 sec car even with the 3.73s...lol!!

And those are just projected numbers. We'll see what it actually does in the real world. And I doubt it'll be a low 12.



I don't think it'll get the power to the ground effectively. With numerically lower gears it won't get off the line. With numerically higher gears it will spin out or snap axles or the torque converter won't allow it to launch properly. Chevy did a great job with the Camaro. But I doubt Ford will be able to match it.

You keep on talking about things you know nothing about. Do you not realize that while the performance pack had 3.73 gears, the A6 with 3.55s have a shorter final drive ratio in first gear? Or that the final drive ratio with the A6 and 3.15's is nearly that of the performance pack with 3.73s?

And while those are projected number, the 0-60 times are not. If the 0-60 times are what ford claims, the GT will absolutely be low 12 second capable...and those estimates I posted should be pretty damn close.

[Michigan1LTRS]

So, take it for what it's worth, but my wife's brother's sister's husband's brother's doctor's friend works for the NTSB and they are thinking of doing do the Mustang what Ralph Nader did to the Corvair. So sad.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Michigan1LTRS

So, take it for what it's worth, but my wife's brother's sister's husband's brother's doctor's friend works for the NTSB and they are thinking of doing do the Mustang what Ralph Nader did to the Corvair. So sad.

Brother's sister cousin..get it right lol

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[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You keep on talking about things you know nothing about. Do you not realize that while the performance pack had 3.73 gears, the A6 with 3.55s have a shorter final drive ratio in first gear? Or that the final drive ratio with the A6 and 3.15's is nearly that of the performance pack with 3.73s?

And while those are projected number, the 0-60 times are not. If the 0-60 times are what ford claims, the GT will absolutely be low 12 second capable...and those estimates I posted should be pretty damn close.

Keep on talking your nonsense. NONE of the S550 Mustangs, no matter what gearing or trans they had was able to do better than a 12.9 stock. Which means that you're putting all your pennies on a 10 sp trans, an extra 25 hp, and an extra 20 tq and I don't think it will be enough to propel that turd to a low 12. The 16 SS lost weight over the 5th Gen, gained 30 extra hp, 50 extra tq, and an 8 sp trans and it went from a high 12 to a low 12. And before all that it was neck and neck with the GT. The GT is doing a half job, it will have shitty suspension components, and it is not gonna match the SS...and no way is Ford dumb enough to actually make it match the Shelby. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they were that dumb. I don't care what Ford projects it will do...I'll wait to see it in the hands of an unbiased tester. Until then you're just reaching for a win and the Camaro is too far ahead.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Keep on talking your nonsense. NONE of the S550 Mustangs, no matter what gearing or trans they had was able to do better than a 12.9 stock. Which means that you're putting all your pennies on a 10 sp trans, an extra 25 hp, and an extra 20 tq and I don't think it will be enough to propel that turd to a low 12. The 16 SS lost weight over the 5th Gen, gained 30 extra hp, 50 extra tq, and an 8 sp trans and it went from a high 12 to a low 12. And before all that it was neck and neck with the GT. The GT is doing a half job, it will have shitty suspension components, and it is not gonna match the SS...and no way is Ford dumb enough to actually make it match the Shelby. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they were that dumb. I don't care what Ford projects it will do...I'll wait to see it in the hands of an unbiased tester. Until then you're just reaching for a win and the Camaro is too far ahead.

Ignorance is bliss. Keep on reaching.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

every time I hear someone championing torque , especially low end or peak torque in a drag racing discussion I have to laugh.

It is very important up until the swap to an aftermarket converter.

Leaving off idle in stock automatics the lack of low end torque kills the current mustang in comparison to the Camaro. A hard 60 ft is paramount to a good 1/4 mile time.

How about on the street? you gonna drop the hammer down with a converter or manual tranny and hit the tires at 5000 rpm? Good luck with that.

Better gearing and probably a better stock converter will really help the 18 car. Artificially giving it better low end...which supposedly doesn't matter...

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

It is very important up until the swap to an aftermarket converter.

Leaving off idle in stock automatics the lack of low end torque kills the current mustang in comparison to the Camaro. A hard 60 ft is paramount to a good 1/4 mile time.

How about on the street? you gonna drop the hammer down with a converter or manual tranny and hit the tires at 5000 rpm? Good luck with that.

Better gearing and probably a better stock converter will really help the 18 car. Artificially giving it better low end...which supposedly doesn't matter...

It's torque at the wheels that matters for 60' times. It is quite possible that the 18gt with A10 could have more torque at the wheels in first gear than the SS with A8.