[Chadicus]

You might be right. Guess we need to see proper performance tests

[RagingHawk]

LOL, I love how some people think magnetic dampers will be enough for the GT to match Camaro's track performance. They can put MRC and Michelin tires, the suspension is still inferior.

Man the people on reddit cars are some funny people. Can't tell if they're trolling or serious. All they do is trash talk the Camaro there. Now one of them is claiming the Camaro is for 'mid life crisis' folk who want 'retro' styling ... you can't be serious man .... lmao

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Maybe YOU aren't concerned with how Shelby owners feel, but I am more than sure that Ford is. You don't just snub people who are paying ADMs of $5,000-over $20,000 (in some cases) on top of a car that MSRPs at $65,000 over a sub-$30,000 car. That would be the dumbest move in automotive history. And it would make the Shelby look like even more of a POS when it gets matched by a car with way less hp than it has...like the SS already did. Plus the Shelby will still be sold so what would even be the point of buying one? The SS is nowhere near the ZL1 and the SRT8 is not even close to the Hellcat...yet the GT will bang out with the Shelby after people paid a shit load of money? Come on.

Firstly, the ADM's dont go to Ford, that cash stays in the dealer's pocket. Ford gets the invoice cost from the dealer, and then they're out of the equation.

Secondly, I doubt Ford thinks it will lose many/any sales from GT350 to GTPP. Mostly for reasons in sure you (and to a small extent, I) don't/can't understand. Honestly, even even the GTPP is faster than the GT350 at the strip, I'd still rather have the Shelby. It has that certain automotive je ne sais quoi.

The beauty if it is, you don't have to understand. What causes someone to spend their hard earned on what they want doesn't require anyone else's understanding.

[RagingHawk]

Let's wait for the configurator to see how pricing is, with all these new options(none standard), if the dealerships get optioned out GT's, it will not sell like it used to. Even the digital dash is not standard on the GT and possibly the GT Premium. Where's it's standard on the Camaro 1SS/2SS.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Firstly, the ADM's dont go to Ford, that cash stays in the dealer's pocket. Ford gets the invoice cost from the dealer, and then they're out of the equation.

Secondly, I doubt Ford thinks it will lose many/any sales from GT350 to GTPP. Mostly for reasons in sure you (and to a small extent, I) don't/can't understand. Honestly, even even the GTPP is faster than the GT350 at the strip, I'd still rather have the Shelby. It has that certain automotive je ne sais quoi.

The beauty if it is, you don't have to understand. What causes someone to spend their hard earned on what they want doesn't require anyone else's understanding.

Ford is a company. And all successful companies have to take their customer's concerns seriously. Especially when those customers are paying crazy money. I'm not saying Ford gets a dime of the markups. But they are aware of the markups even if they can't stop them. Which is why I don't think they will disrespect their customers by putting out a GT that can run neck and neck with the Shelby. Think about it...it would be like if they made the EB just as fast as the GT. You think that wouldn't cause a tremendous uproar among the Ford faithful? And those two are much closer in price than the Shelby is to the GT.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

What price difference? The only way Mustang has a serious advantage in price is if you get a base GT. Once you tack on PP, it's almost the same. Plus, we don't know if 2018s are getting more expensive.

If you want straight line speed, all you need is the GT with the A10. It will probably still be cheaper by a few thousand.

Originally Posted by KyleL

And this whole time, dodge could give a **** less and keep pumping out the same ole challenger.....

And this prove my point. The Challenger is old but they keep bringing out more power and more exciting models. It sells about the same as the new Camaro. If that doesn't prove big power numbers help sell cars, I don't know what will.

[Stoner]

I'm just courious as to way you guys even bother to engage with trolls like Mr. Fanboy? If everyone would just ignor all his post he would loose interest and fade away......

[OMEN]

Fact: the MUSTANG is a public car for everyone, but CAMARO is a unique car for only special people

another Fact: MUSTANG only compete with american muscle, but CAMARO keep embarrassing german legends

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by OMEN

Fact: the MUSTANG is a public car for everyone, but CAMARO is a unique car for only SPECIAL people

No doubt about that.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Stoner

I'm just courious as to way you guys even bother to engage with trolls like Mr. Fanboy? If everyone would just ignor all his post he would loose interest and fade away......

I think he just likes attention. Dude is on a Camaro site, he obviously has nothing to say in the Camaro's favor, he completely takes the Mustang's side no matter what in everything, and he constantly challenges everything people say. If he said all this stuff on a Mustang site people would just agree with him. But here he gets into these long debates and goes on and on about nothing. SO I think he just likes the attention. And that's cool. I don't mind on or two of him hanging around. If any more of them show up tho I'll probably start asking the admins to have them removed.

Originally Posted by OMEN

Fact: the MUSTANG is a public car for everyone, but CAMARO is a unique car for only special people

another Fact: MUSTANG only compete with american muscle, but CAMARO keep embarrassing german legends

Mustang hasn't been competing much with anything lately. The 370Z guys even give them a run for their money.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

A base GT with the A10 with suspension mods will hang with the Shelby around a track IF it performs the way they are saying it will. We have already seen the 1SS 1LE match the GT350R's time. And it matches the Shelby's straight line performance as well. I don't think the PP is much since even the V6 1LE Camaro is considered to be equal to or better than the current GT PP around a track. But basically you'd be just a few thousand dollars in suspension mods away from beating a Shelby around a track and if it is a low 12 it'll hang at the strip. So why would anyone even buy a Shelby at this point? Which is why I said I think Ford will do something to keep the Shelby as top dog. The 18 GT is gonna be a 12.6 or slower if you ask me. And it'll have small improvements around a track but nothing drastic.

1) The 1LE has never matched the GT350R's times on the same day. If you believe that BS, then you also believe the ZL1 is only 0.39 seconds quicker than the 1LE around willow. It's been shown 2-4 seconds can easily be added/subtracted due to track conditions, barometric pressure etc.

2) The G350 is not a 1/4 mile car, everyone but you seems to realize this. It traps 118 in the 1/4 mile yet is really no quicker than the auto SS. The funny thing is, the owners don't care...they didn't by it for it's 1/4 mile prowess.

I'm trying to understand your logic here on saying the GT is going to run a 12.6 or slower. The current A6 runs 12.8-12.9's fairly easily. Ford has knocked off .05-0.6 seconds off of the 0-60 time alone (this is mostly in the 60'). So what you are telling everyone is, this new GT with more horsepower, more torque and a transmission that allows the engine to stay in it's powerband is going to have less of a top end pull than the current mustang? Think about what you're saying for a second. 12.9-0.5=12.4....and this is conservative.

Back to the GT350....you get so hung up on why people chose it. It's a special car man, leave it be. In 5 years, even when it's slower then the latest and greatest mustang it will still be more valuable and desirable. It's just the way it works in mustang-land.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

A base GT with the A10 with suspension mods will hang with the Shelby around a track IF it performs the way they are saying it will. We have already seen the 1SS 1LE match the GT350R's time. And it matches the Shelby's straight line performance as well. I don't think the PP is much since even the V6 1LE Camaro is considered to be equal to or better than the current GT PP around a track. But basically you'd be just a few thousand dollars in suspension mods away from beating a Shelby around a track and if it is a low 12 it'll hang at the strip. So why would anyone even buy a Shelby at this point? Which is why I said I think Ford will do something to keep the Shelby as top dog. The 18 GT is gonna be a 12.6 or slower if you ask me. And it'll have small improvements around a track but nothing drastic.

Two days ago I would have been right with you in the 12.6 or slower but if this car is capable of sub 4-sec 0-60, I think we will see low 12s out of it. Surprised me.

[drew peacock]

it will still handle like crap.+
it will still tramline.
will the motor actually have any low end grunt
it will be no different to drive..i wouldn't have it for free..
plus it's about as ugly as a car can get..s550 int no beauty and this newer model is just dreadful.
have they redesigned the irs so it works on this model..or is it still gonna float about at the back above 100mph.
zero to 60 times are meaningless for most people.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by drew peacock

zero to 60 times are meaningless for most people.

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this one.