[Quinten_33]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Ding ding ding. The Ford forums are the only forums I can't spend more than 5 mins on because of the fanboyisms going on over there. I'm on this forums, Vette, GTR, and McLaren forums. I have yet to find anything even remotely close to the crap that is spewed over there on the Ford forums. You are right. It's either Ford does it and it's the best or it's Ford didn't do it, so therefore it sucks. If it ain't got a blue oval on it, they hate it. And that is the reason why I love every fkn Mustang I smoke in my Z06. EVERY time. EVERY race. And i never stick around for those ass hats to even tell me nice run. I smoke their ass then go on about my day.

Haha, the Mustang6g forum could be a show on Comedy Central! They're doing nothing but speculating 24/7, saying that a 7.0L DOHC engine is coming one day, and then coming back the next to say that an ecobust 5.0 will power the GT500. They all want more horsepower than any competition, but they don't care about the suspension or the fact that Mustangs don't have the Chassis to handle 800hp. To them, the Camaro is a disaster. "It would be great if I could see out of it to drive it", "Too bad it looks like a HotWheels car that my son plays with.", "The interior looks like a cheap plastic party got crashed by a lack of storage space and horribly placed air vents.". These are all actual comments from mustang owners. They are the same people to call Mopars "...Cruise ships for the street, but slower." And "...Service shop queens with no ability to turn.". I respect Mopar guys and their cars, and I can respect a non-v6 Mustang. But there's something about Mustang guys that just annoys me. They're simply laughable. Now, I have the utmost respect for anyone who actually checked out the Camaro or Challenger before buying their Mustang, because they acknowledged the strengths of the other two.

[mlee]

If it "don't mean nothing" then it must mean something

[Michigan1LTRS]

Originally Posted by mlee

If it "don't mean nothing" then it must mean something

Amen brother!!!

[hotlap]

I've read comments in the past the Ring times are not same driver same day. This qoute illustrates that Ring times are in fact the best possible time that the manufacture could get with the car after repeated and unlimited attempts. The best time, from the best driver on the best day. The limit of the car.

Originally Posted by Supercup

As noted earlier the driver is Bill Wise who is an engineer working on the program here are a few comments from him over on Rennlist where he posts under 2BWISE - "I saw the link from the Racing and DE thread and came over to take a peak. Thanks for the kind words. The Ring is a hell of a track and it was actually really fun getting to go over and do something like this. Hope you enjoyed the video! Its rewarding to be able to go there and get an opportunity to run a fast lap with a vehicle we spent over a year and a half developing. I'm hoping maybe a few of you will get a chance to experience one at some point. Or at least get to run with one at a track day near you. That lap was exactly my 125th lap. Its kind of surprising that I know that but during development you only do 2 or 3 laps before making changes so I kept a running tally in my notebook. I've made two trips there as a driver now and that equals about 16 days on the track. I think total I have 150 laps now.
The biggest thing for me was making use of the resources available to learn the track and get up to speed. Lots of data analysis! Lots of time on a sim before I went thru the IP training. And then making use of the local knowledge from some of our Opel counterparts"

So there you have it - 125 laps of prep and uber talent and you get an amazing ring time!

Way to go Bill

[mlee]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I've read comments in the past the Ring times are not same driver same day. This qoute illustrates that Ring times are in fact the best possible time that the manufacture could get with the car after repeated and unlimited attempts. The best time, from the best driver on the best day. The limit of the car.

Great read...

[ZL1 1LE]

Ring times speak to the car's potential which to me is very meaningful.

[396ssrat]

Yes, ring times are times achieved by any certain driver in certain weather conditions on a certain day. Like any other racing venue, conditions change frequently. Now if those times can be repeated in various conditions by various drivers the times hold more weight.

[OminouSS]

The point author makes with the memory being 90% is absolutely, undeniably correct. The rest is just an embellishment (and justification) of a bad opinion. The most important thing I look for in Ring times is comparison between models and, the driver is as important to this equation as the tire choice. It needs to be the same driver, or same level of skill, knowledge and familiarity of venue that put up the 'standard' ZL1 time for me to give it much credence. I am looking to see how much faster one model is over the other with most variable remaining the same.

The list is an overall example of where cars might rank in the pecking order of manufacturers' best efforts. The exorcise and it's result is more entertainment to me than a reason to buy. I know that is not always the case with hype, though. World wars have been won with propaganda.

[Godfatha]

Ring times are a measuring stick of performance cars. If someone is looking at a ZL1, they're looking at it probably because of it's performance. So his whole argument is illogical.

It's also bragging rights. It is great to see a production model Camaro running with cars costing $100k more.

I suspect Jack is just a butthurt fanboy whose particular favorite brand got beat or doesn't even post Ring times.

[DenverTaco07]

this would be awesome:

http://jalopnik.com/5891398/man-want...ring-in-nevada

oh, and you will always have the detractors from road course records - they are typically fans of 1320 straight line courses and believe it's the only thing that matters - and although my experience on the Camaro forums is that for the most part they are both equally respected, not so much so for the owners of cars that can't turn but are great on the drag strip.

[camaromike77]

I think the "Writer", Jack Baruth, is clueless and in all likelihood is cruising the back roads in his 30+ year old k-car...... .....

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by camaromike77

I think the "Writer", Jack Baruth, is clueless and in all likelihood is cruising the back roads in his 30+ year old k-car...... .....

He probably went to some track in his Mustang straight 6 and turned in the track record for the worst time, so now he says recorded track times don't count.