[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Well, I know you are on Mustang6g, you know what I am talking about. Don't act like you are stupid.

Of course he is on there. Funny thing tho, ever since their ultimate track car got it's ass kicked and they got handed a pity win their thread slowed way down, lol!! I mean, they don't even comment on that thread anymore. That is probably the only reason he is on here...because they're too ashamed to talk about it over there.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You don't honestly think that the GT350's unique sound lies in it's mufflers do you...or the the LT1 can have even close to the exhaust note as the GT350 with different mufflers? It's the entire engine design, from the cross plane crank to the cam profile, the firing order, the intake etc. People don't praise the GT350 because it's loud. You wouldn't praise a honda with a bazooka tube for a muffler do you...and they are loud.

As for the handling, the reason the GT350R was able to keep it close to the Zl1 (which has a shitload more horsepower and torque) was because of it's handling prowess. I'd like to know which car in it's class handles better than the GT350R?
A snipit from Motortrend in case you missed it...

"The thing is, when you get these two studs on a winding canyon road, the Shelby is the car you want to be driving. That steering simply comes alive. The GT350R sports one of the best-feeling front ends I’ve had the privilege of experiencing. It’s simply excellent. This Shelby’s shifter shifts better, the engine feels better (who wouldn’t take an 8,250-rpm redline over a 6,500-rpm limit?), the brake pedal feels better, and the car is simply sportier in every way. The R’s just more fun to drive. Again, I’m not sure how Ford Performance did it, but I think there’s a layer of pixie dust baked into the GT350R. I might call it a thing divine."




The Camaro and GM has had it's share of limp mode, oil cooler leaks, excessive oil consumption and motor failures. Let's not pretend however that this is the norm for either company.

I'd like to see a number on exactly how many "automotive enthusiasts" have had to have their engines replaced on the GT350. I'm not familiar with this statistic.

Class or price?? For "price" I know one that is better: 22.3 Figure "8". 90' 0-60 braking, 1.2 "G's" & better gas mileage to boot.

[Artos]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I'm an excellent swimmer.

Only because you have an amazing ability not come up for a breath...

Seriously man, we are going hula hoops with all this & have covered the spectrum...both cars bring amazing aspects to the table & do it differently. One is faster & one 'feels' better.

It's not that important, spend your $$$$ how you want...I tried to buy a 350r but no car is adm special to me & am tickled with the zl1 I got below sticker. To be able to keep sticking it to the ford dealers that keep calling me back has been rewarding. It doesn't mean I wouldn't be happy if I could have bought one at a fair price. It is what it is & there really isn't much more on this thread that is actually adding any value...only repetition of the same chords.

If one wants to play bragging rights, then the mustang fanboys guys can thump their chests all they want with the MT win...I'll take the better ring' gloat & grin over a car rag opinion of which car is better any day & glad I now own 'the' faster car.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Of course he is on there. Funny thing tho, ever since their ultimate track car got it's ass kicked and they got handed a pity win their thread slowed way down, lol!! I mean, they don't even comment on that thread anymore. That is probably the only reason he is on here...because they're too ashamed to talk about it over there.

You know how people laugh at something when it is not funny with a real weak, I call it "courtesy laugh". And the joke deserves no laugh at all....well, MT handed the GT350R a "courtesy win".

Plus, Mustang6g started another thread of the same thing. They just call it the 2017 Zl1 vs GT350R: The Forever War.

[catdog]

Mustang fan boy... you are fired!

Do not clear your desk, security will escort you out and your belongings shipped to you ��

This thread is 44 pages long with asymptotically no added info or insight...

Now let's focus on the silver vs black start button debate

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by catdog

Mustang fan boy... you are fired!

Do not clear your desk, security will escort you out and your belongings shipped to you ��

This thread is 44 pages long with asymptotically no added info or insight...

Now let's focus on the silver vs black start button debate

I wanna know why my Green Light Button option does not work.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

A snipit from Motortrend in case you missed it...

"The thing is, when you get these two studs on a winding canyon road, the Shelby is the car you want to be driving. That steering simply comes alive. The GT350R sports one of the best-feeling front ends I’ve had the privilege of experiencing. It’s simply excellent. This Shelby’s shifter shifts better, the engine feels better (who wouldn’t take an 8,250-rpm redline over a 6,500-rpm limit?), the brake pedal feels better, and the car is simply sportier in every way. The R’s just more fun to drive. Again, I’m not sure how Ford Performance did it, but I think there’s a layer of pixie dust baked into the GT350R. I might call it a thing divine."

"The thing is"...they call it the car you wanna be driving...but then they don't even say WHY it is the car you want to be driving. So why? Because it is faster? Because it is more comfortable? What is the criteria? Oh but then they give answers to the blank question...and all the answers are subjective. So why is the GT350R the car you wanna be driving on a canyon road? Well it isn't faster than the ZL1, it can't corner better than the ZL1, it doesn't have the creature comforts of the ZL1, it costs more than the ZL1...so which one gets around the canyon faster and more comfortably for less money?

[catdog]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I wanna know why my Green Light Button option does not work.

Green button as in "eco" maybe in a Prius but not a 650 hp supercharged V8, lol

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You don't honestly think that the GT350's unique sound lies in it's mufflers do you...or the the LT1 can have even close to the exhaust note as the GT350 with different mufflers? It's the entire engine design, from the cross plane crank to the cam profile, the firing order, the intake etc. People don't praise the GT350 because it's loud. You wouldn't praise a honda with a bazooka tube for a muffler do you...and they are loud.

As for the handling, the reason the GT350R was able to keep it close to the Zl1 (which has a shitload more horsepower and torque) was because of it's handling prowess. I'd like to know which car in it's class handles better than the GT350R?

A snipit from Motortrend in case you missed it...

"The thing is, when you get these two studs on a winding canyon road, the Shelby is the car you want to be driving. That steering simply comes alive. The GT350R sports one of the best-feeling front ends I’ve had the privilege of experiencing. It’s simply excellent. This Shelby’s shifter shifts better, the engine feels better (who wouldn’t take an 8,250-rpm redline over a 6,500-rpm limit?), the brake pedal feels better, and the car is simply sportier in every way. The R’s just more fun to drive. Again, I’m not sure how Ford Performance did it, but I think there’s a layer of pixie dust baked into the GT350R. I might call it a thing divine."




The Camaro and GM has had it's share of limp mode, oil cooler leaks, excessive oil consumption and motor failures. Let's not pretend however that this is the norm for either company.

I'd like to see a number on exactly how many "automotive enthusiasts" have had to have their engines replaced on the GT350. I'm not familiar with this statistic.

I didn't say they would sound the same, but put a Corsa or Borla free flowing exhaust on the ZL1, and it will sound great also, just a different sound.

As far as a mountain rd like they said. Where are you going to use those 8250rpms on a mountain rd. 8250 in first gear is 55mph, 2nd is over 90. So your either maxed out in first all the time, or your not using the rpms in 2nd as you are not doing over 90mph on a mountain rd. The high rpms are only good at the track. If you are using the rpms on the rd, you are seriously breaking the speed limit. Most cars on the rd rarely go over 4000 to 5000 rpms, most are under 4000. So your once in awhile quick rush of 8250 is very short lived on the streets. Low end power is where it is on the roads and that is where 90% of people drive.

[kttxz06]

Anyone from the Mustang forums...........including thePills offspring, has no say in this forum. I'll never forget the 50 page thread on how the 350.....not the R....but the 350 was an overall better car than the Z06. At that moment in time, I knew I never wanted to hang out with a Mustang owner................EVER. And the sad thing is, over half of the idiots agreed. They follow one another over there. The GT350 a better overall performance car than the Z06? Fkn stop it already.

[NW ZL1]

Here's a post from the SVT forums with a Poll asking "Which would you choose? New ZL1 or new GT350?"

2017 Camaro Zl1 (60 votes) 48.4%
2017 Shelby GT350 (50 votes) 40.3%
Neither, get a new Corvette Grand Sport (14 votes) 11.3%

Interesting as this is a Shelby forum.

https://www.svtperformance.com/forum...gt350.1135509/

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Anyone from the Mustang forums...........including thePills offspring, has no say in this forum. I'll never forget the 50 page thread on how the 350.....not the R....but the 350 was an overall better car than the Z06. At that moment in time, I knew I never wanted to hang out with a Mustang owner................EVER. And the sad thing is, over half of the idiots agreed. They follow one another over there. The GT350 a better overall performance car than the Z06? Fkn stop it already.

They were all like "oh I can't wait for the pill to chime in" on the GT350R vs ZL1 thread over there...I don't think he ever did, lol!! But to be fair, not ALL Msutang owners are like that. I was a Mustang owner for a long time. Matter of fact, this is the first time in 11 years that I can say I don't own a Mustang. But I never blindly followed any brand. And I know quite a few Mustang owners who likewise are not biased.

[Diggitydog]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

They were all like "oh I can't wait for the pill to chime in" on the GT350R vs ZL1 thread over there...I don't think he ever did, lol!! But to be fair, not ALL Msutang owners are like that. I was a Mustang owner for a long time. Matter of fact, this is the first time in 11 years that I can say I don't own a Mustang. But I never blindly followed any brand. And I know quite a few Mustang owners who likewise are not biased.

Funny I just went on the Mustang6G forum about this thread and The Pill did just chime in. He went with his classic techno babble excuse for the increase lap time over the first comparison. It wasn't all that convincing to me.

I have recently migrated from Ford all the way over to GM with cars and trucks. Just sold the 2013 Mustang 5.0 to free up space for ZL1. Love the ZL1 and haven't looked back. Actually was looking at a Ford Super Duty today and they had at GT350 and GT/CS in the show room. Honestly not impressed. No bias, just not even close to the ZL1.

Agree with the not brand loyal more of product loyal. Purchase based on overall best product, don't like to blindly follow. Like iPhone vs Android. When people tell me they prefer iPhone I immediately stop listening to their recommendations as they clearly don't do research.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Anyone from the Mustang forums...........including thePills offspring, has no say in this forum. I'll never forget the 50 page thread on how the 350.....not the R....but the 350 was an overall better car than the Z06. At that moment in time, I knew I never wanted to hang out with a Mustang owner................EVER. And the sad thing is, over half of the idiots agreed. They follow one another over there. The GT350 a better overall performance car than the Z06? Fkn stop it already.

That is the sad thing about Ford. They do not have an answer for the vette. Never have never will. So they make some ok thing but cannot hang with it.