[Michigan1LTRS]

Originally Posted by Ian SS

Just pay it man. You paid a price you aren't entitled to.

Think of it this way, if THEY OWED YOU $2400 bucks you'd be knuckle deep in their business until they paid you. Dealerships are run by humans, and humans make mistakes.

Amen!!

Originally Posted by DeliveryMan

Wow seriously?

Absolutely!! It's wrong. People do make mistakes.

[PinHead]

You guys need to read CA. Code(CC) Sec 2984 which states;

A correction which will increase the amount of the contract balance or the amount of any installment as such amounts appear on the conditional sale contract shall not be effective unless the buyer concurs in writing to the correction.

The way I see it;

This was not an typo/error, they received the code in writing, and confirmed it in advance, then drawn up and agreed to and executed the contract with the terms.

[mdmoore23]

I had a similar experience on my red hot a few weeks ago. I had a really cool sales woman and I haggled on the price a little and also had a supplier code. So I drive down, get the car and think all is well. A few days later they call and say they need my registration on my current GM vehicle so they can process my $1500 loyalty discount. I literally never told them I had another GM vehicle in my household and the buyers contract had a $1500 discount on it, but I just thought that was an amount they were giving me because of the haggling. All of a sudden im faced with an extra $1500 fee. It boiled down to the sales lady just trying to get me all the discounts she could and thought that would fly under the radar. Well it didn't. But she did make $1000 of that disappear and I just gave them an additional $500. I was cool with that because it really was both of our faults. Hers for trying that and mine for not questioning where that extra rebate came from. I think in the op' s case, at the very least they should all share the blame and the cost. It's partly his fault and partly the dealership' s fault.

[90503]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

I had a similar experience on my red hot a few weeks ago. I had a really cool sales woman and I haggled on the price a little and also had a supplier code. So I drive down, get the car and think all is well. A few days later they call and say they need my registration on my current GM vehicle so they can process my $1500 loyalty discount. I literally never told them I had another GM vehicle in my household and the buyers contract had a $1500 discount on it, but I just thought that was an amount they were giving me because of the haggling. All of a sudden im faced with an extra $1500 fee. It boiled down to the sales lady just trying to get me all the discounts she could and thought that would fly under the radar. Well it didn't. But she did make $1000 of that disappear and I just gave them an additional $500. I was cool with that because it really was both of our faults. Hers for trying that and mine for not questioning where that extra rebate came from. I think in the op' s case, at the very least they should all share the blame and the cost. It's partly his fault and partly the dealership' s fault.

Your situation could be considered a scam, as the dealer and their salesman misrepresented what you thought was a legitimate negotiated price, and that is what you based your decision to purchase on...and why they were willing to still reduce the price afterwards.

The OP , however, knew the price was lower due to an error and a discount that he did not qualify for. He would have bought anyway had the price been correctly stated with the supplier pricing, which would have been higher, not employee discount. He has suffered no harm, other than the request of the dealer that he pay the actual negotiated price for which he was qualified to receive...

Good for you for being honest. The OP's honesty remains to be seen....

[Quick_Wick]

Originally Posted by 90503

Your situation could be considered a scam, as the dealer and their salesman misrepresented what you thought was a legitimate negotiated price, and that is what you based your decision to purchase on...and why they were willing to still reduce the price afterwards.

The OP , however, knew the price was lower due to an error and a discount that he did not qualify for. He would have bought anyway had the price been correctly stated with the supplier pricing, which would have been higher, not employee discount. He has suffered no harm, other than the request of the dealer that he pay the actual negotiated price for which he was qualified to receive...

Good for you for being honest. The OP's honesty remains to be seen....

I did NOT know the exact difference between Supplier pricing and Employee pricing. It's not like someone sat down with me and said oh, this is what the supplier discount is an Oh, this is what the employee discount is. I told them I had a supplier code from the very beginning and I repeatedly discussed that with them prior to sale. They provided me the quote that is on this thread from the previous page. I agreed with that price and gave them the Supplier Code. Nowhere on any page of anything on my contract or paperwork does it specifically state employee pricing or supplier pricing. I provided them the code in the morning came in did the paperwork, drove home and then I got the call Today about the bad news. I don't understand how I am not being honest? I knew the price looked lower than MSRP but how was I supposed to know the difference between supplier and employee pricing???

[gr120994]

Get an attorney. Talking to the dealer yourself is like swimming with sharks during a feeding frenzy.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Quick_Wick

I did NOT know the exact difference between Supplier pricing and Employee pricing. It's not like someone sat down with me and said oh, this is what the supplier discount is an Oh, this is what the employee discount is. I told them I had a supplier code from the very beginning and I repeatedly discussed that with them prior to sale. They provided me the quote that is on this thread from the previous page. I agreed with that price and gave them the Supplier Code. Nowhere on any page of anything on my contract or paperwork does it specifically state employee pricing or supplier pricing. I provided them the code in the morning came in did the paperwork, drove home and then I got the call Today about the bad news. I don't understand how I am not being honest? I knew the price looked lower than MSRP but how was I supposed to know the difference between supplier and employee pricing???

OK, then....If that's your story. Did you know the MSRP?...No clue what the final price would be prior to the contract?...Not knowing how much the discount is sounds a little suspect, but, hey, if you say so.

I guess now you know the difference between supplier and employee pricing. Would you have been ok with a one hundred dollar supplier/employee discount?...After all, how are you to know?

If that was the price you had been quoted well beforehand, and what you showed to the credit union, then yeah, they screwed up and misrepresented to you what the discount would be. Good luck, again. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

[Quick_Wick]

Look, first thing on the line states total cash price. Followed by dealer fees and sales tax. It doesn't even list MSRP or idemize discounts until the very end (which states: manufactures rebate: $1,000).

Don't understand how I am not being honest if the contract doesn't state which discount I received?

[90503]

So, prior to your quote from May 31, you didn't know how much the supplier discount would be?....If you get it for the employee discount price and feel you're entitled to that, that's up to you. Good luck, again.

[Quick_Wick]

Originally Posted by Ian SS

He's not obligated to pay more. Based on the Supplier code he provided he only qualifies for Supplier pricing. The dealership messed up and undercharged him. Now they want him to either pay the price he was supposed to pay(even the OP admits it was supposed to be a Supplier deal) or return the car. He's not obligated to pay anything extra but if he's not going to pay the price he was supposed to pay he needs to give the car back and not purposefully rack up a ton of miles.

Since it is a finance deal OP literally has no power, they can kill the deal and ask for the car back even if OP coughs up the $2400. They just have to disclose to the next buyer that someone already took it home and the deal fell through.

If you walk out of the grocery store and they say "hey you didnt pay for the milk" do you say "f*ck you" and drive away? No, you go back and pay for the milk.

I don't agree at all with your logic.

First of all I didn't just walk into a Chevy dealership and take a brand-new Camaro and drive off with it without paying for it. I paid a big down payment signed the paperwork (the paper work that took hours and that multiple people looked through) and drove away like a normal human being does when they buy a new car.

My scenario is more like this: I go into a grocery store and see milk on sale for $.99. I buy the milk get out to the parking lot, drink a little bit of it and the manager comes running out and says Hey! That milk was really five dollars but we screwed up and put the wrong price tag on it!! Pay me $4.01 right now or else I'm taking that milk and putting it back on the shelf."

At that point I would drink all the milk in his face and throw the carton back at him, and worse yet, I'm a pissed off customer that's going to tell all my friends, family, brothers, uncles, cousins & co-workers don't go to that grocery store. It may seem like they offer good pricing but in the end they rip you off.

[Quick_Wick]

Originally Posted by 90503

So, prior to your quote from May 31, you didn't know how much the supplier discount would be?....If you get it for the employee discount price and feel you're entitled to that, that's up to you. Good luck, again.

Correct. They never showed me the break down until the 31st of May.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by Quick_Wick

I don't agree at all with your logic.

First of all I didn't just walk into a Chevy dealership and take a brand-new Camaro and drive off with it without paying for it. I paid a big down payment signed the paperwork (the paper work that took hours and that multiple people looked through) and drove away like a normal human being does when they buy a new car.

My scenario is more like this: I go into a grocery store and see milk on sale for $.99. I buy the milk get out to the parking lot, drink a little bit of it and the manager comes running out and says Hey! That milk was really five dollars but we screwed up and put the wrong price tag on it!! Pay me $4.01 right now or else I'm taking that milk and putting it back on the shelf."

At that point I would drink all the milk in his face and throw the carton back at him, and worse yet, I'm a pissed off customer that's going to tell all my friends, family, brothers, uncles, cousins & co-workers don't go to that grocery store. It may seem like they offer good pricing but in the end they rip you off.

Well said. I agree with you and don't see how they have a leg to stand on to increase the price at this point.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by 90503

Your situation could be considered a scam, as the dealer and their salesman misrepresented what you thought was a legitimate negotiated price, and that is what you based your decision to purchase on...and why they were willing to still reduce the price afterwards.

The OP , however, knew the price was lower due to an error and a discount that he did not qualify for. He would have bought anyway had the price been correctly stated with the supplier pricing, which would have been higher, not employee discount. He has suffered no harm, other than the request of the dealer that he pay the actual negotiated price for which he was qualified to receive...

Good for you for being honest. The OP's honesty remains to be seen....

They came to an agreement on price and he signed the contract and paid his part. Whether or not he'd be willing to purchase the car at the higher price is irrelevant and he signed no paperwork indicating that. I'm not sure why you are questioning the OP's honesty. If this were the other way around and he asked for a lower price days after the contract was signed, I'm sure you know how that would go.

[Faster12]

Some of you guys have responded like complete a$$holes! It's a very simple issue. I sincerely believe the OP didn't and possibly wouldn't have known the difference between employee pricing and supplier pricing. One point no one has made here is whether the dealership isn't being dishonest. Could there have actually been no mistake and now the dealership is trying to scheme a little extra cash? I've yet to see anyone prejudge the dealership the way some of you have done the OP. While I am not an a attorney, I am a paraprofessional and I specifically work in the realm of contracts. I cannot provide legal advice but my understanding is just as someone pointed out in CA Code, if a contract is misconstrued it is on the writer of said contract, not the reader, to bear the burden. Furthermore, if said discrepancy did exist, the dealer knowingly and willingly will all opportunity and resources available agreed to said offer. The Dealer should have known the difference in pricing, the dealer should have confirmed the difference in pricing. This is not about the OP doing the right thing. This is about poor business practices where dealerships are trying to turn profits every 50 mins instead of ensuring that things are done right. Oversights in contracts are NOT a small matter. That is why they are written, negotiated, rewritten, and reviewed BEFORE execution. So for those saying the OP needs to do the right thing....please take your self-righteousness and shove it. This man did what exactly what he was supposed to do and to boot he dropped $20k down. If the dealership cannot survive because of this sale then it is only more indicative of a systemic issue with their processes, NOT their clientele. Just my .02.....but what do I know?