[TheElementalCashew]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Yeah, I understand the Goodyears aren't very good when it's not dry out, and I would be dd'ing this car most likely, or would prefer to at least.



As far as preferences go, we do agree on color. I'd probably go NG as well, with the carbon insert and roof. I'd just do the A10 and maybe add nav/PDR. Your car is very sharp!

The nav is ok, but it will have CarPlay and Android Auto, so don't get too hung up on that if an opportunity arises. The PDR is pretty cool, I turn it on every time I drive the car. Definitely worth it as an option! If you don't find one with a carbon insert, you can always add it after the fact as well.

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by JustinOpinion

I feel you, man. Before taking a look at the ZL1, I was actually giving strong consideration to the new M4. I've had 3 previous 3 Series' (E90's). I still can't get over how much MORE nimble this Camaro is over the BMWs. Even the smaller ones. You'll find a bit more hard plastic inside than you'd like, but not as bad as previously. The micro-suede is actually nice and I think it softens the interior nicely. Technology is way better than BMW - who still have no clue about tech. The raw power is beyond anything Germany can imagine let alone build. And I'm not knocking Bavaria, just telling it like I feel it is. Not sure if a test drive is possible or if you've done one - but you owe it to yourself.

I talk about my initial thoughts and comparisons to German cars and some of these exact points in my video of the ZL1: https://youtu.be/k-6skCfqaqE

Planning to do some follow ups in the near future.

Hey, thanks a lot!

Yeah, the standard features of the ZL1 are quite good really. As an Android guy, I welcome Android Auto vs. just Carplay in the BMWs. Heated/ventilated seats standard too, which is nice, plus the PDR is cool.

I don't really have a problem with BMW's iDrive, as it has really improved over my E90, which wasn't good at all.

Germany can, but certainly aren't matching power for the price, as you'd have to get well into 6 figures to match what Chevrolet has done with the ZL1. My dream car is a 911 Turbo S, but it's a bit out of my price range at the moment. AMG GT is no joke either, but again, you're talking twice the price of the ZL1.

Later this summer/fall when the RS3 is on dealer lots and I can drive one, I'll certainly drive the ZL1 as well. I think it would probably be about the best time to buy one if I liked it as well. I do prefer the smaller size (and 4 doors, and AWD) of the RS3, but like you said, the ZL1 is so nimble, especially for its size.

I'll definitely check out your video. Thanks again!

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by MoreSpeed

I came over to the ZL1 from 4 straight Porsche purchases and two Mercedes purchases in a row. I find the fit and finish to be comparable and the tech to be quite further ahead than the Porsches. The performance of the ZL1 is way better than both the Porsches and the Mercedes. It is a different car and you have to be into the V8 rumble, but if you are, you will be rewarded with a great car. Roughly 2500 miles into the experience and a day does not go bye where I don't appreciate something about the car. There was a lot of attention to detail.

Ps. I have 19 inch wheels and tires on order from PK Auto Design. Paul can get you what you want for the non-1LE ZL1.

Wow, that's quite surprising about the fit and finish. Like I said earlier, I really don't expect it to match a Mercedes or a Porsche, but if it's really that close, I'll have no problems.

As far as the sound goes, it doesn't get much better than the big engine and supercharger whine for me. It's right up there with the E60 M5's V10 . . . without all the problems.

Thanks for the info. about the wheels too, you've been very helpful. Much appreciated! Enjoy the ride!

[ZL*Won]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Thanks man. I appreciate your thoughts and insight.

I'm sure it's a helluva ride, and I probably shouldn't fret over the "little things". By late summer/early fall I should be able to do some test drives and come to some decision.

Came over from a '15 chipped 650i with 540HP that bored me to death. Would never go back to that heavy German POS... This car may have some interior flaws but in the things that matter such as speed and handling, this car is will outperform any BMW on the road. Or you can think of it as a better performing Porsche Turbo S for 1/3 the price. Or maybe a better performing M4 GTS for 1/2 the price. Or maybe a better Viper for....you get the idea. Good luck with your decision.

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by TheElementalCashew

The nav is ok, but it will have CarPlay and Android Auto, so don't get too hung up on that if an opportunity arises. The PDR is pretty cool, I turn it on every time I drive the car. Definitely worth it as an option! If you don't find one with a carbon insert, you can always add it after the fact as well.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't even use it since there's Android Auto, but for $495 why not. I wouldn't turn one down without it.

I didn't know about getting the carbon insert after the fact though. Good to know, as that's pretty much a must-have for me unless the car was heavily discounted or something. Makes sense though.

[TheElementalCashew]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Yeah, I probably wouldn't even use it since there's Android Auto, but for $495 why not. I wouldn't turn one down without it.

I didn't know about getting the carbon insert after the fact though. Good to know, as that's pretty much a must-have for me unless the car was heavily discounted or something. Makes sense though.

It's pricey, but definitely a beautiful piece that is worth having.
http://www.thatgmpartsguy.com/zl1-ed...85?parent=1027

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by Octane1

Just traded my '17 M3 Comp Pkg - picked up my ZL1 on Friday.

The ZL1 is way more fun and overall a better fit for me. The M was great - the ZL1 heads and tails more exciting and satisfying to drive. If you could integrate the BMW iDrive into the ZL1 it would be an early perfect car for me. I also had hesitations about the interior but after a ~week I don't notice it. The seats are much better than in the M. I also thought about 19 inch wheels to get a little bit better ride... my M had 20s and the ride was a bit harsh. In my brief experience this is not the case with the ZL1 - the suspension is awesome and always feels planted - not harsh.

PM me your number if you have any questions that I can help with.

'grats on the new ride!

I'm with you on the 20s on the M. You can actually get the 19s with the ZCP now, which I'd probably go with.

I got the 18s on my M3, and it rides considerably better than my friend's M4 with the 19s. I couldn't imagine what the 20s are like.

The 20s on the ZL1 with MRC is probably fine though, like you've experienced. They look great, I just feel there would be more tire options with 19s, and I wouldn't feel as light in the wallet burning through them.

The seats do look great in the ZL1, and I appreciate the insight on the interior. The gen5 was awful, IMO, but the gen6 does look better.

I appreciate the help and thoughts! If I have any questions when it gets closer to buying time (late summer/fall at this point) I'll certainly pick your brain a bit!

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by TheElementalCashew

It's pricey, but definitely a beautiful piece that is worth having.
http://www.thatgmpartsguy.com/zl1-ed...85?parent=1027

That is a bit pricey, but if I find a car with all the other specs I want, it might be worth it if I can negotiate a little off the price of the car.

Plus, that guy is right up the road from me.

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by ZL*Won

Came over from a '15 chipped 650i with 540HP that bored me to death. Would never go back to that heavy German POS... This car may have some interior flaws but in the things that matter such as speed and handling, this car is will outperform any BMW on the road. Or you can think of it as a better performing Porsche Turbo S for 1/3 the price. Or maybe a better performing M4 GTS for 1/2 the price. Or maybe a better Viper for....you get the idea. Good luck with your decision.

Hah! Yeah, the 5/6 series is way too big for me. In fact, I find the 3 to be a bit on the big side, even though it's light. I'd prefer to downsize a little (hence the RS3), but the ZL1 doesn't feel big at all I'm sure, despite the weight.

However, I'd take a Turbo S over pretty much any car made if I had the money to spend. That's pretty much my bucket list car. The ZL1 will hold its own over just about any car twice the price though, for sure.

Even as a BMW fan, I can't defend the M4 GTS though.

Thanks for the insight!

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by JustinOpinion

I talk about my initial thoughts and comparisons to German cars and some of these exact points in my video of the ZL1: https://youtu.be/k-6skCfqaqE

Great video! I didn't know it had a HUD too, was cool to see. I do agree the 3-series(es) have lost their way, as they've all been too soft since about the E90 I had.

The M3 is still a beast, but I'm sure it doesn't compare to the Camaro performance-wise, since it's more focused in that department. I do appreciate having a more well-rounded vehicle though, which is why I went for the M3 in the first place. That's sort of my quandary with the ZL1.

[Sub]

Ive posted a few opinions coming from my e92m3. Honestly, trading to a 2ss would be an upgrade, the zl1 will be major. See my sig for some opions too at time of purchase. There are many M-converts here! BMW is screwed

[JustinOpinion]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Great video! I didn't know it had a HUD too, was cool to see. I do agree the 3-series(es) have lost their way, as they've all been too soft since about the E90 I had.

The M3 is still a beast, but I'm sure it doesn't compare to the Camaro performance-wise, since it's more focused in that department. I do appreciate having a more well-rounded vehicle though, which is why I went for the M3 in the first place. That's sort of my quandary with the ZL1.

Thanks. More to come, but that might not help you with your immediate decisions. I say in the video that it's not a car I'd recommend as a daily driver - and that is my opinion. You could do it, but it's not very practical. A 2SS might be a solution for you. I test drove a 1SS convertible and it was sweet. However you go - best of luck to you!

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by Sub

Ive posted a few opinions coming from my e92m3. Honestly, trading to a 2ss would be an upgrade, the zl1 will be major. See my sig for some opions too at time of purchase. There are many M-converts here! BMW is screwed

Originally Posted by JustinOpinion

Thanks. More to come, but that might not help you with your immediate decisions. I say in the video that it's not a car I'd recommend as a daily driver - and that is my opinion. You could do it, but it's not very practical. A 2SS might be a solution for you. I test drove a 1SS convertible and it was sweet. However you go - best of luck to you!

Thanks guys. Personally, the 2SS doesn't do much for me. I mean, it's the same performance as what I have, and sounds better, but it's just missing that extra something.

Granted, at 2/3 of the price of my car, it's a bargain for sure. I just like the amenities of what I have now, and would really only give up some of those if I got something that gave me something on the other side of the coin.

The ZL1 I could see doing that if it's put together well, which it sounds like it may be from what y'all have been telling me. Only one way to find out though.

[ZL*Won]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Thanks guys. Personally, the 2SS doesn't do much for me. I mean, it's the same performance as what I have, and sounds better, but it's just missing that extra something.

Granted, at 2/3 of the price of my car, it's a bargain for sure. I just like the amenities of what I have now, and would really only give up some of those if I got something that gave me something on the other side of the coin.

The ZL1 I could see doing that if it's put together well, which it sounds like it may be from what y'all have been telling me. Only one way to find out though.

Whatevs. Beemer M is nowhere near the performance of this car. Pick your poison. And to somewhat disagree with my friend above, my A10 is an excellent daily driver. If you like to have fun Every Day.