[HogsFan75]

Originally Posted by travislambert

Stepping up their game is one thing, but their timing is terrible.

If they knew they were going to release a new ZL1 that competes for the same customers as the ZL1 they just released a few months prior they should have at least released pics and specs of the 1LE version before ordering started for the original. At least then their customers would have had the option of waiting for the better car.

GMs timing just screwed over a bunch of people, especially the people who ordered/bought a ZL1 with a manual transmission.

I get where you are coming from. But if we all waited for a better model to come out, we would be forever waiting and that doesn't sell cars.

Also, Motor Trend just tested the zl1 and said the manual was faster around a track.

[Cmyskill]

Originally Posted by mlee

It doesn't have the A10, so no not frustrated.

All these parts will be available to those that want to add them.

Agree 100% If no A10 not for me........

[808NHBK]

I'm not frustrated. People will be selling or giving up their allocation to order one of these and their will be a stock of new ZL1's sitting and possibly second hand ZL1's available after the depreciation hit.

[HogsFan75]

Originally Posted by travislambert

That is my issue with all of this. Either announce the cars at the same time or wait at least a couple of years between announcements and give people a chance to feel good about the cars they're driving.

Hell, I'm still happy driving my 2015 1LE and I bought it less than a year before the 2017's were available.

I'm an impatient guy.

[DenverTaco07]

The way I look at it, the ZL1 grand touring, the ZL1 1LE IS Z/28-LITE, did Gen 5 ZL1 owners get mad about the Z/28? No, they are two different purpose builds. Why would one who orders a grand touring car, now be upset they release track focused with stiff spool valve suspension?

Just my 2 pennies.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by HogsFan75

I get where you are coming from. But if we all waited for a better model to come out, we would be forever waiting and that doesn't sell cars.

Also, Motor Trend just tested the zl1 and said the manual was faster around a track.

I get that they want to continue to improve their offerings, but they need to give people a chance to own and enjoy their nicest cars before announcing better versions.

Early ZL1 buyers are now going to be taking delivery of cars that were brand-new and top-of-the-line Camaros at the time of ordering and are old news at the time of delivery.

[travislambert]

So I'm guessing most of the people commenting that they don't have a problem with all of this have no real skin in the game.

If you just took a major depreciation hit on a car you haven't driven yet you might feel differently.

The 5th Gen Z/28 was different than the ZL1. It competes for different customers. There will be much more overlap in the customer base between the 6th Gen ZL1 and ZL1 1LE.

[HogsFan75]

Originally Posted by travislambert

So I'm guessing most of the people commenting that they don't have a problem with all of this have no real skin in the game.

If you just took a major depreciation hit on a car you haven't driven yet you might feel differently.

The 5th Gen Z/28 was different than the ZL1. It competes for different customers. There will be much more overlap in the customer base between the 6th Gen ZL1 and ZL1 1LE.

I get it. I took a $10,000 hit the minute I drove my 2015 1LE off the lot and it's even worse now.
I checked the trade in value last week because I was considering trying to trade for a 2017 1LE and it booked at $22,000.

LMAO. I paid $39,000 1 year ago.

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by HogsFan75

I get it. I took a $10,000 hit the minute I drove my 2015 1LE off the lot and it's even worse now.
I checked the trade in value last week because I was considering trying to trade for a 2017 1LE and it booked at $22,000.

LMAO. I paid $39,000 1 year ago.

Yep. And like I posted earlier, I paid 50K+ for the Camaro 2SS I bought in June. When I sold it a couple weeks ago with 3,042 miles on it it booked for $34,000. This was due to the major incentives GM offered and screwed current owners. And now, I'm going to take another hit on a ZL1 before even taking delivery due to the timing of their announcement.

At this point I'm considering canceling my order. GM needs to be a little more considerate of their current customers.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

The way I look at it, the ZL1 grand touring, the ZL1 1LE IS Z/28-LITE, did Gen 5 ZL1 owners get mad about the Z/28? No, they are two different purpose builds. Why would one who orders a grand touring car, now be upset they release track focused with stiff spool valve suspension?

Just my 2 pennies.

I agree fully. The ZL1 1LE is the result of Corvette choosing to supercharge the Z06. If the Z06 had stayed n/a, this car would have been the Z/28, without a doubt.

[RedCamaroZL1]

Not going to lie, it bothers me a little that the car I have on order to be built next month isn't going to be the top Camaro from day 1. With the last ZL1, it had more time to shine. And the z28 was a different car. This is the exact same car with more. Ordered an A10 and now and concerned it won't live up to the hype in my mind. This wouldn't be as bad if this car wasn't shown until next fall. I'd at least have the summer on top.
The ZL1 I ordered will still be awesome tho. I'll still love it. It looks killer. I don't need the aero pieces because they're very track oriented. Still sweating the A10 tho. I love driving a manual, but the performance of the A10 just seemed so much greater. Especially in the 1/4 mile. Now I'm rambling...

[travislambert]

Originally Posted by RedCamaroZL1

Not going to lie, it bothers me a little that the car I have on order to be built next month isn't going to be the top Camaro from day 1. With the last ZL1, it had more time to shine. And the z28 was a different car. This is the exact same car with more. Ordered an A10 and now and concerned it won't live up to the hype in my mind. This wouldn't be as bad if this car wasn't shown until next fall. I'd at least have the summer on top.
The ZL1 I ordered will still be awesome tho. I'll still love it. It looks killer. I don't need the aero pieces because they're very track oriented. Still sweating the A10 tho. I love driving a manual, but the performance of the A10 just seemed so much greater. Especially in the 1/4 mile. Now I'm rambling...

Thanks for being honest. I was sure I wasn't alone.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by travislambert

I get that they want to continue to improve their offerings, but they need to give people a chance to own and enjoy their nicest cars before announcing better versions.

Early ZL1 buyers are now going to be taking delivery of cars that were brand-new and top-of-the-line Camaros at the time of ordering and are old news at the time of delivery.

You are certainly entitled to view it as better and if I wanted a track beast with stiff suspension it would be the version choice for me. Why can't it just be a different version?

Again...they are two different purpose builds. Now if they came out with a 750HP version of the ZL1...I'd say you are spot on, but here, I just don't see it.

[WhyUMad1LE]

Originally Posted by travislambert

Is anyone else frustrated with the ZL1 1LE announcement?

When I ordered my ZL1, I knew of the possibility of track focused addition to the lineup, but I didn't expect the new car to compete with the ZL1 directly. I was expecting a stripped down version that I wouldn't have been interested in anyway.

The new ZL1 1LE has all of the bells and whistles, heated/cooled seats, dual climate control, etc.. as well as much needed wider tires, better looking wheels, red brake calipers, and most importantly better performance.

This car is going to compete for the same customers as the regular ZL1, ultimately devaluing all of the ZL1s that their most loyal customers already ordered. This frustrates me especially since I just took a $16,000 value drop on the '16 SS I bought last June.

Sorry GM doesn't plan their products around your guesswork, lol

Anyway the ride will probably be much firmer than MRC. Not sure why they left in the power heated/cooled seats and Bose audio, maybe it is cheaper for them to make all ZL1s that way and separate them further down the assembly line.