[mduck]

Camaro is increasing in Europe so I guess this will help lifting some figures.
Mustang where here first but as I see they have a lot of cars in their stock.
I was on my way buying one but the I came across the Camaro and the F1fty version...

And rest assured that nothing happended in Sweden on Friday night except rehersal for the Swedish Melodifestivalen on Saturday where a 87 year old man won....damn it not my bet!
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[zeekle]

I think you will see one more generation as a gas engine and then they will go electric. Nothing really wrong with that to be honest. Tesla has shown they can make very fast and sporty looking electric cars.

What will kill off the camaro will be when auto driving cars are the norm. Kinda not much of a point in having a sports car when the car is going to drive itself

[Evil-Bee-NH]

Originally Posted by zeekle

I think you will see one more generation as a gas engine and then they will go electric. Nothing really wrong with that to be honest. Tesla has shown they can make very fast and sporty looking electric cars.

What will kill off the camaro will be when auto driving cars are the norm. Kinda not much of a point in having a sports car when the car is going to drive itself

mmmm... auto-driving cars will be a disaster for awhile they don't react like a person behind the wheel to surprise situations. I'll leave my life in my own hands not a computers anyday. Sales are down because 5th Gens are still selling and now selling a lot cheaper with the release of the 6th Gen. It was only out 5 yrs. half the time as a normal generation run. A lot of 5th Gen guys are moving to 6th Gens eventually you'll see a sales hike maybe in 2018.

[SS376]

Those 1st gen restomods look good, but they hardly ever function as well or reliably as they appear.

[MrChrisLS3]

I'd be willing to bet that 6th Gen sales are about what GM expected. While the Gen 6 is a new platform, and in that regard a new car, it is still an evolution of the previous generation. The 5th Gen came out with a radical new design after an eight year hiatus for the iconic name plate, so yeah, sales were through the roof the first few years.

The 6th Gen, trim level for trim level is not that much more than the 5th Gen. In fact, many of the things you had to pay for in the 5th Gen are now standard on the 6th Gen.

Price? Well, yeah, $40K+ is a lot of money for a car, but for a car at these performance levels? It's still a bargain, even in the turbo 4 and V6 levels (at their relative price points).

Now, I love those car shows the O.P. is talking about. I would love nothing more than a 1st gen resto mod convertible, you bet. Drop an LS3 in it, with a nice coil over suspension, and custom interior. $30,000 all in, might be a little conservative, but even at that price it requires one thing, cash money. Now, I don't know about all you folks, but reaching into the wallet and pulling out $30K in cash right now isn't gonna happen.

[mcintyre1969]

As an owner of both a 1st and 6th, no comparison at all. Period.

[c4racer]

As somebody who has done it, trust me you won't build a pro touring first gen convertible for $30K! Think about double that. And it still won't be as good as the 6th gen in most ways.

[ctrlz]

For the OP's hypothesis to be true we would need to see a comparable rise in demand for restorable 1st gen Camaros to offset the decreased demand for the 6th gen. Likewise, I would expect to see more of these restored beauties out on the street.
Sorry, but even among "car guys," the proportion of those who actually buy old cars and restore them is dwarfed by those buying stock factory-built machines.
Camaro sales are a victim of broader macroeconomic forces, not some rush to rebuild the classics.

[Sledgehammer70]

I am fairly sure GM is happy with a 2 Billion+ dollar business known as Camaro. Is it selling like generations before? No, price point is high and they targeted a slightly higher demographic and moved to a more sports car style over muscle. Only the market will say how that will pan out.

I think Camaro can do with a few changes, but it isn't doom and gloom. Before the 4th gen went out of production they had back to back years of 40-60k cars being built. In those years dollars, the 4th gen was a $1 Billion dollar business.

Looking at Mustang and Challenger they are not that far off from each other. Mustang has the cheapest price point and is enjoying a lead in qty of cars being sold. A 6th Gen refresh could help, but GM is in a good spot in my honest opinion and the Camaro business is making enough money to keep GM happy for now.

[cellsafemode]

Considering how little advertising they used on the 6th and how they made it nearly identical to the previous gen to everyone except us on this forum, i'd agree that they're fine with the camaro.

As far as pushing it in europe, i think all the news lately is that GM is pulling out of the very low profit margin continent of europe. It would make much more sense if GM was interested in bringing the Camaro to other countries to focus on China. That seems to be the target for everyone lately. Otherwise i'm sure they can survive on US sales for as long as they want to without becoming unprofitable.

[LeftFoot]

How many more would GM be selling if they fixed some of the quality issues reported on these forums? Personally, I was really close to buying a Camaro but got scared-off by all the issues. My current car, while a mass-market vehicle, has had only one issue I can think of - one single unplanned dealer visit in three years of ownership. I know there's a certain cognitive bias associated with reading these forums in terms of the rate of defects, and that dissatisfied owners will always be more vocal, but there's still an apparent lack of follow-through from GM when users have legitimate problems.

[activepat]

It is funny when I read posts like this. I have had zero issues in one year and 5500 miles on my SS. And when I bought my brand new S550 Mustang GT, same thing. Same 5000 miles later.

Both these cars are just part of a very small market. What do you expect?

Originally Posted by LeftFoot

How many more would GM be selling if they fixed some of the quality issues reported on these forums? Personally, I was really close to buying a Camaro but got scared-off by all the issues. My current car, while a mass-market vehicle, has had only one issue I can think of - one single unplanned dealer visit in three years of ownership. I know there's a certain cognitive bias associated with reading these forums in terms of the rate of defects, and that dissatisfied owners will always be more vocal, but there's still an apparent lack of follow-through from GM when users have legitimate problems.

[2016SS]

Originally Posted by LeftFoot

How many more would GM be selling if they fixed some of the quality issues reported on these forums? Personally, I was really close to buying a Camaro but got scared-off by all the issues. My current car, while a mass-market vehicle, has had only one issue I can think of - one single unplanned dealer visit in three years of ownership. I know there's a certain cognitive bias associated with reading these forums in terms of the rate of defects, and that dissatisfied owners will always be more vocal, but there's still an apparent lack of follow-through from GM when users have legitimate problems.

Easy fix don't come on the forums and you will have no problems because you never knew they existed lol

My cars a 9.9 out of 10 few small things to be expected never had a car that didn't have some type of issues.

And honestly my imports had more issues Acura,Volkswagen,Nissan Nissan was the worst for me by 30k the dash was peeling engine was burning a quart of oil every 1000k tires didn't wear properly. Paint was thin fly could chip it trans and clutch were loud and jumpy. But I loved that car so I fixed what I could and drove on until the Gen6 came along traded it in on it no regrets and love it way more!


Your missing out on a incredible car don't let forums scare you that's what warranty is for.

[Akura]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

I am fairly sure GM is happy with a 2 Billion+ dollar business known as Camaro. Is it selling like generations before? No, price point is high and they targeted a slightly higher demographic and moved to a more sports car style over muscle. Only the market will say how that will pan out.

I think Camaro can do with a few changes, but it isn't doom and gloom. Before the 4th gen went out of production they had back to back years of 40-60k cars being built. In those years dollars, the 4th gen was a $1 Billion dollar business.

Looking at Mustang and Challenger they are not that far off from each other. Mustang has the cheapest price point and is enjoying a lead in qty of cars being sold. A 6th Gen refresh could help, but GM is in a good spot in my honest opinion and the Camaro business is making enough money to keep GM happy for now.

Totally agree. Just to add: how much cost to GM the development for the 4th gen? And for the 5th and 6th? Cross platform decrease costs and increase benefits per unit sold, so probably GM is happier with the "low numbers" for the 6th gen than for the rest.

And me too: I prefer to own a less sold car than a mass model. Just a false sentiment of exclusivity? Probably, but the happiness to know that it will be difficult to find the same car in the mall parking is a plus for me.