[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

They did something not quite right with the EPA tests on that car. I forget what it was, so I can't back it up, and won't try...but I remember being told by someone who'd know that they, essentially, cooked the books.

Manufacturers can do some sneaky things. I can definitely see that, the same as when they send pre-production vehicles to the ring for unverifiable runs, or send magazines hopped up cars that are also unverifiable.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Manufacturers can do some sneaky things. I can definitely see that, the same as when they send pre-production vehicles to the ring for unverifiable runs, or send magazines hopped up cars that are also unverifiable.

With the EPA, it doesn't take much. There are many loopholes.

For example...the Japanese makes for decades were providing misrepresented Cd figures for the conversion calculations to take lab-results mpg numbers to "real-world". This resulted in higher-than-normal fuel economy numbers that weren't real. Several faced law suits, and some had to pay our reparations to customers for misrepresenting FE.

Or...packages and options don't usually get tested. A 1LE does not get the same FE as the base SS...stickier tires, more drag, etc...but the EPA doesn't test the option package in the lab.

And...contrary to popular belief...not ALL car models get tested for FE. Only new, or significantly updated models get pulled in. There's a fleet percentage that the EPA is responsible for testing. The rest is taken on faith from the manufacturer.

So.....EPA figures are generally accurate, and it's a solid, standardized way of figuring fuel economy numbers. But like every system, there are ways to cheat it.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

With the EPA, it doesn't take much. There are many loopholes.

For example...the Japanese makes for decades were providing misrepresented Cd figures for the conversion calculations to take lab-results mpg numbers to "real-world". This resulted in higher-than-normal fuel economy numbers that weren't real. Several faced law suits, and some had to pay our reparations to customers for misrepresenting FE.

Or...packages and options don't usually get tested. A 1LE does not get the same FE as the base SS...stickier tires, more drag, etc...but the EPA doesn't test the option package in the lab.

And...contrary to popular belief...not ALL car models get tested for FE. Only new, or significantly updated models get pulled in. There's a fleet percentage that the EPA is responsible for testing. The rest is taken on faith from the manufacturer.

So.....EPA figures are generally accurate, and it's a solid, standardized way of figuring fuel economy numbers. But like every system, there are ways to cheat it.

I agree, the EPA is easy to cheat. And a magazine performance and manufacturer ring time is even easier.. there are ZERO loopholes to even consider.

[84camaroz28]

Why is do they charge $1,300 gas guzzler tax on the 6 speeds and $2,100 for the A10's? Autos worse on fuel?

[mlee]

Originally Posted by 84camaroz28

Why is do they charge $1,300 gas guzzler tax on the 6 speeds and $2,100 for the A10's? Autos worse on fuel?

Autos are almost always worse on fuel

[HyperBlueX2]

The A10 has a much steeper 1st and 2nd gear.... kills the city and combined number......

[Zack46]

Originally Posted by Hyperblue16vert

The A10 has a much steeper 1st and 2nd gear.... kills the city and combined number......

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Hyperblue16vert

The A10 has a much steeper 1st and 2nd gear.... kills the city and combined number......

Thus improving those 60' times... Love it...

[17ZL1]

Originally Posted by NB2017ZL1

Wtf? Is that to make up for the initial ones they forgot to charge ? Makes zero sense. Should be better on gas than the M6...

[Zack46]

Originally Posted by mlee

Thus improving those 60' times... Love it...

[Blown67]

What I wanna know is if we're paying a "tax", can we write that off our income taxes? The standard deduction is something like 6k I think, but on a Z you're paying around 4K just in sales tax, then there would be the GG tax, and whatever else you had throughout the year would be well over the standard limit. Gotta stick it to the man lol

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Zack46

Always have to look on the bright side..

Originally Posted by Blown67

What I wanna know is if we're paying a "tax", can we write that off our income taxes? The standard deduction is something like 6k I think, but on a Z you're paying around 4K just in sales tax, then there would be the GG tax, and whatever else you had throughout the year would be well over the standard limit. Gotta stick it to the man lol

You can't use that as a deduction, but in a sense you are in the end because GG Tax is added into the options section and then you are taxed on it again (tax on a tax) in the final price.

[396ssrat]

Gas guzzler tax is a sham because you already pay more tax for using more gas. You just pay it each time you buy gas. That should be repealed.

[MoreSpeed]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Manufacturers can do some sneaky things. I can definitely see that, the same as when they send pre-production vehicles to the ring for unverifiable runs, or send magazines hopped up cars that are also unverifiable.

Manufacturers would never do that! Just ask Volkswagen.